Wait. He needs to lower his expectations for the Director of the FBI?
RIP Charlie Kirk
- Thread starter okie archer
- Start date
- Status
rjthehunter
Well-known member
I think the taxpayers should decide, since they're the ones funding the rest of his (hopefully short) life.
okie archer
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 3, 2015
- Messages
- 787
Explains why he did the right thing and reported the murderer to the police. Even if it was his own son. Tough place the dad was in but looks like responsibility won out. Personally accountability seems to be missing in this day and age.
Irrelevant
Well-known member
If you want to make this a left vs right and start quoting calls for violence against political adversaries, then I'll play, but I'm not sure that's going to be best for anyone, particularly this thread...
Yep. A jury of his peers.
Lost a decades old friendship over this. Grew up together and as life happened our viewpoints changed, I joined the military, he went to a state school. Until the last couple years at least those viewpoints were a semi-friendly debate.
Anti LE, anti-military, basically all the lefts talking points, and an inability to separate daily life from those issues.
The final straw was the justification of this assassination.
There's something in the water and it ain't good.
Anti LE, anti-military, basically all the lefts talking points, and an inability to separate daily life from those issues.
The final straw was the justification of this assassination.
There's something in the water and it ain't good.
Gerald Martin
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2009
- Messages
- 9,313
I can’t believe you included the one important topic we should all know the truth about in your examples of hoaxes.
It’s self evident that birds aren’t real.
So much pain and tragedy in this world. I can only imagine the grief Charlie’s wife and family are experiencing right now. I can only imagine the anguish of the shooter’s father realizing that his son is the murderer and going through the process of delivering him to be held accountable. So many lives irrevocably altered by actions of hatred.
Irrelevant
Well-known member
That is incredibly unfortunate. If it's important to you don't give up on a good friendship. I had to pause one for almost 4 years over some similar disagreements. But I never completely gave up on him, and I kept calling him on his birthday, or new years, just leaving a message hoping he and his family were well. Eventually he picked up, and we just agreed that we care about each as people more than I care about his opinions. We'll never be as close as we were, but I still call him a friend.
Gerald Martin
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2009
- Messages
- 9,313
Sorry to hear this. Incidents like these become watershed for many people. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the fringe celebrating Charlie’s death and the fringe itching for a violent response.
They are the same nature of people expressing hatred in a different direction.
I posted that yesterday before he was apprehended. You found out about it an hour ago.
You sound like a good friend.
I believe I've been at this juncture before with this person, usually hunting season would bring him back to his senses. At some point it's just such a glaring character/moral flaw, to justify a murder.
I agree, I had a right leaning friend call me and say, "what are we gonna do?!" ... uhh nothing? IMO, It's one thing to be so frustrated to vent about taking action, it's another to actually take the first step. My hope is that cooler heads prevail on either side. That snippets of a conversation from either side are nit-picked and portrayed as the full truth.
Congratulations?
Gerald Martin
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2009
- Messages
- 9,313
…. and those snippets caricature the worst of the other side as the norm for left or right.
thebestusernamesaretaken
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 19, 2021
- Messages
- 476
Many just assumed that this was a leftist political assassination but it appears to be much more complicated that that. If this is the guy who done it; It appears that he was raised in a politically right leaning church going family. Not that the two are mutually exclusive but his mother had allegedly posted a family photo of him dressing up as riding on Trump's shoulders on Halloween (which could be interpreted many different ways). He went to the school that some had said indoctrinated him for only one semester. I would think that one semester at a school may not be enough to derail what appears to be a lifetime of opposing viewpoints. It might be that society is creating these people not universities. It seems that those people who have been so one sided for much of their lives are becoming angry at the disillusionment once they have changed their minds. They may be frustrated, isolated from their formor friends and family and feel like they don't have a way to process the anger other than violence.
I never met or paid much attention (if any), to Mr. Kirk. I think that this is an awful senseless murder. However, many are expressing lofty praise and adoration for a person that other reasonable minded folks found that he apparently had said some really mean, hurtful and bigoted things to. For example "Black people were "better" in the 1940s under Jim Crow laws". He said, "A man who calls himself trans is wearing 'woman face,' no different than I would wear Black face trying to be a Black person. It's assuming an identity that isn't yours." and that Black women "do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
I think it would be helpful to acknowledge that he is was he was, and he had faults just like everyone else. Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.
Upon seeing this event unfold, I felt that this was going to blowback on the hunting community as a whole. Given where it happened as a strong hunting culture and that the bolt action rifle that was used is a typical deer riffle and that it was only one shot may lead some to believe that we are engendering some sort of violence in our nature. I think that we should guard against that by talking about how this is not our way.
Hunters are respectful of life and most take it very seriously when we take a life of any creature. We have focused on firearm safety ethical taking of animals and by default have to make an example of those who don't follow those guidelines because we have to protect the culture. If non-hunters relate either the victim of this assassination or the assassin with the rest of us, this may still become a problem for all of us.
I never met or paid much attention (if any), to Mr. Kirk. I think that this is an awful senseless murder. However, many are expressing lofty praise and adoration for a person that other reasonable minded folks found that he apparently had said some really mean, hurtful and bigoted things to. For example "Black people were "better" in the 1940s under Jim Crow laws". He said, "A man who calls himself trans is wearing 'woman face,' no different than I would wear Black face trying to be a Black person. It's assuming an identity that isn't yours." and that Black women "do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
I think it would be helpful to acknowledge that he is was he was, and he had faults just like everyone else. Kirk making those offensive statements doesn't justify the killing, but the killing doesn't justify those who praise for him for being a good human being either.
Upon seeing this event unfold, I felt that this was going to blowback on the hunting community as a whole. Given where it happened as a strong hunting culture and that the bolt action rifle that was used is a typical deer riffle and that it was only one shot may lead some to believe that we are engendering some sort of violence in our nature. I think that we should guard against that by talking about how this is not our way.
Hunters are respectful of life and most take it very seriously when we take a life of any creature. We have focused on firearm safety ethical taking of animals and by default have to make an example of those who don't follow those guidelines because we have to protect the culture. If non-hunters relate either the victim of this assassination or the assassin with the rest of us, this may still become a problem for all of us.
Last edited:
I'm not trying to stir the pot. There's a bunch of blowhards on here (you included) that like to nitpick everything. All I said was I posted that yesterday before he was apprehended. Nobody knew who did it until an hour ago. Don't be so sensitive.
SAJ-99
Well-known member
Yes. Expecting less from the government is pretty much the new normal. The necessary qualifications for positions have changed and the agency in particular has lost a lot of good, experienced people over the last 9 months.
jryoung
Well-known member
I think the constant feed of "talking points" through so many channels truely separates us from others. Talking points are delivered in sound bites, out of context clips and framed for impact and an emotional response. Then algorithms layer on another layer of complexity in the petri dish.
I try and watch this clip once a month and constantly remind myself to reframe from acusatory language, and be curious. Ask questions, try and understand why other feel the way they do, the experiences that possibly shaped them......there's a lot more to people that simply trying "own" them or paint them in a box.
Gerald Martin
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2009
- Messages
- 9,313
I would say that context matters a great deal when assessing whether certain statements are indicative of a person’s character.
blowhard
/ˈblōˌhärd/
A blowhard is a boastful, arrogant person who talks loudly and incessantly to impress others, often without much substance to their claims. Synonyms for blowhard include boaster, braggart, and windbag, while the term is often used disapprovingly to describe someone who is full of bluster and self-importance.
Ok, champ.
Agreed. He and I have definitely had very in depth conversations on those topics and many others. Initially I’d written out a more detailed explanation in an attempt to explain why each item was deeply personal to me, but deleted it, ain’t nobody got time for that.
It has been sad watching the descent into the fringe for him. His parents are good family friends, it’s difficult without delving into specifics why he and I aren’t speaking anymore.
Love that vid.
- Status
