‘I Didn’t Vote for This’: A Revolt Against DOGE Cuts, Deep in Trump Country

[Justabirdwatcher]

Odd question. For it, obviously. Agree with you completely. But political compromise is dead, especially when one party has complete control. This part of the reason neither side wants to kill the filibuster.

Not really an odd question when you consider what you wrote -

"Being in the middle means compromise, which leads to imperfect solutions to complex problems, which leads to more fuel for social media to overemphasize the problem.....You see it on HT with some people being "Not one acre!" regarding public lands. That is an oversimplification that might fit on a t-shirt but might end up blocking progress that actually may be net positive."

In one breath, you seem to say compromise leads to more problems, and in the next you say that uncompromising positions block progress.

Feel free to explain. Not trying to "get you" but rather understand what you meant. When I first read it, it appeared as though you contradicted yourself.

 

[SAJ-99]

Not really an odd question when you consider what you wrote -

"Being in the middle means compromise, which leads to imperfect solutions to complex problems, which leads to more fuel for social media to overemphasize the problem.....You see it on HT with some people being "Not one acre!" regarding public lands. That is an oversimplification that might fit on a t-shirt but might end up blocking progress that actually may be net positive."

In one breath, you seem to say compromise leads to more problems, and in the next you say that uncompromising positions block progress.

Feel free to explain. Not trying to "get you" but rather understand what you meant. When I first read it, it appeared as though you contradicted yourself.

No problem. I reread what I wrote and it still makes complete sense to me . I am speaking of two distinct situations. An uncompromising approach either leads to nothing being done (in split government) or to one group, when it has complete power, to implementing a solution that only benefits them and hurts the others. Often problems don’t get solved. The deficit being the prime example, although I see the deficit as the measurement of the solutions. I admit that giving everyone a little bit something often means money in one form or another and the bill just goes on the credit card.

Most of the problem is social media where people can find a little thing and complain about it endlessly. If they can’t find something they make it up. Hard to be a middle-ground politician now days.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

The problem with middle ground politicians is that they rarely make it through our idiotic primary system.

 

[Rainer]

The problem with middle ground politicians is that they rarely make it through our idiotic primary system.

Also, corporate money doesn't like center politics..... or compromise

 

[SAJ-99]

The problem with middle ground politicians is that they rarely make it through our idiotic primary system.

But isn’t the reality of that the fact a large percentage of the voters would rather see the other side suffer than find a reasonable solution?

 

[Gulf of America]

But isn’t the reality of that the fact a large percentage of the voters would rather see the other side suffer than find a reasonable solution?

A large percentage of the voters who turn out for primaries which is a pathetically small percentage of voters. I say we go Australia-style with compulsory voting. While that makes it sound like I have WAY more confidence in the average person than I do, I don’t think it could be much worse than what our primary system is producing.

 

[Nick87]

But isn’t the reality of that the fact a large percentage of the voters would rather see the other side suffer than find a reasonable solution?

People who make it a team sport are a bigger enemy than the biggest scumbag politician. Without them the scumbags wouldn't exist. Unfortunately far more than the majority is in fact in favor of teams.

 

[Irrelevant]

People who make it a team sport are a bigger enemy than the biggest scumbag politician. Without them the scumbags wouldn't exist. Unfortunately far more than the majority is in fact in favor of teams.

Preach it!

 

[westbranch]

I think it was on this forum where I saw someone post "you can find compromise in the dictionary between chicken shit and c*nt". I have used that a few times to diffuse some tension and it did help get to some compromise in the end.

 

[44hunter45]

nope
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That looks like my investments graph since the inauguration.

 

[44hunter45]

Folks trying to make the argument that Trump voters shouldn’t be complaining about his policies because they should have known what they were getting should probably consider what that kind of logic would mean if Harris had won and the shoe were on the other foot.

Do I like what the Trump administration has done to public land management? Not at all. Did I like what the Biden/Harris administration did with their lack of security for our borders? Even less. Those lax border policies were directly related to my daughter nearly loosing her life at the hands of a criminal who has committed numerous felonies while being here in the US illegally. Yet, it never occurred to me to blame Biden/Harris voters for her assault.

Anyone looking at our past and current options for executive leadership and thinking there aren’t going to be serious failures of good governance for the benefit of Americans if either candidate were elected is delusional.

The only way I can see that we don’t get the metaphorical shaft with either party in power is to stay active and engaged in advocacy for good policy regardless of which party personality is in office.

This.

I was never a MAGA flag waver, and I can't stand that lying, gay-eyed VP.

I vote public lands yes, but my number one issue is unborn rights. There was never any way I could have voted for Harris, no matter what. Especially having been from California and watched her shenanigans there.

I'm facing the same dilemma in the upcoming 2026 vote for the District 1 US Congressional seat in Idaho.

Russ Fulcher (old money career politician) is a disaster on public land, but A+++ on his Pro-Life stance
Kaylee Peterson (artisan jeweler from Connecticut) has Pro-Choice as the first bullet of her policy document.

When your choices are polio or the bubonic plague, you choose polio.

 

[whatnot]

Yes, this thread strays into politics because politicians want to use our issues as currency for repaying political favors.

I wish it was different. I hate how the veneer of tribal politics makes it so hard to have serious discussions about very important topics impacting public land hunting. But, that’s how the swamp hogs view our issues so we have no choice but to engage.

i remember "venturing " into politics when BHA signed onto and pushed development of hundreds of thousands of acres for "renewable energy". Only to get slammed for the "no poltics"
illusion that is here.

Dems were only good on public land because they hadnt found their financial resson to sell it off. Windmills and solar are that, and it was crickets in here.

Ive yet to pass through a project 2025 pubkic land loss, but you cant swing a dead cat and nit hit a windmill.

 

[rogerthat]

Massive Nevada Solar Farm on BLM

Here's the EIS for a massive solar farm on BLM being proposed. https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-seeks-public-input-seven-solar-projects-nevada

www.hunttalk.com

Quick search found this. Lots of members not too keen on solar and wind development on undeveloped lands. But carry on with your false pity party. Not surprising facts are tough for you guys. Post #127 would be a good one for you to reread.

 

[Forkyfinder]

i remember "venturing " into politics when BHA signed onto and pushed development of hundreds of thousands of acres for "renewable energy". Only to get slammed for the "no poltics"
illusion that is here.

Do you have a source/proof of that claim?

 

[SAJ-99]

Massive Nevada Solar Farm on BLM

Here's the EIS for a massive solar farm on BLM being proposed. https://www.blm.gov/press-release/blm-seeks-public-input-seven-solar-projects-nevada

www.hunttalk.com

Quick search found this. Lots of members not too keen on solar and wind development on undeveloped lands. But carry on with your false pity party. Not surprising facts are tough for you guys. Post #127 would be a good one for you to reread.

Don't waste your time. Single issue voters tie themselves into such mental knots that no amount of facts or contradictions will untie them.

 

[Gulf of America]

This.

I was never a MAGA flag waver, and I can't stand that lying, gay-eyed VP.

I vote public lands yes, but my number one issue is unborn rights. There was never any way I could have voted for Harris, no matter what. Especially having been from California and watched her shenanigans there.

I'm facing the same dilemma in the upcoming 2026 vote for the District 1 US Congressional seat in Idaho.

Russ Fulcher (old money career politician) is a disaster on public land, but A+++ on his Pro-Life stance
Kaylee Peterson (artisan jeweler from Connecticut) has Pro-Choice as the first bullet of her policy document.

When your choices are polio or the bubonic plague, you choose polio.

Women suffering life-threatening conditions during pregnancy are literally having to be airlifted out of Idaho due to over-aggressive anti-abortion policies. I don't consider that pro-life. My wife is pregnant and we won't be visiting her family there for the duration of the pregnancy because it's not worth the risk when she already need mifepristone for bleeding after a previous miscarriage. My mom is a pro-life above all else voter and that's what I grew up in, I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea of "throwing away" an inconvenient pregnancy, but I think that risking the lives and future child-bearing ability of women who actually want children is the opposite of good policy.

 

[44hunter45]

Women suffering life-threatening conditions during pregnancy are literally having to be airlifted out of Idaho due to over-aggressive anti-abortion policies. I don't consider that pro-life. My wife is pregnant and we won't be visiting her family there for the duration of the pregnancy because it's not worth the risk when she already need mifepristone for bleeding after a previous miscarriage. My mom is a pro-life above all else voter and that's what I grew up in, I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea of "throwing away" an inconvenient pregnancy, but I think that risking the lives and future child-bearing ability of women who actually want children is the opposite of good policy.

I stated the fact of how I vote. You assume that I have no compassion or nuance. Not dragging this thread into an abortion debate.

 

[Gulf of America]

I stated the fact of how I vote. You assume that I have no compassion or nuance. Not dragging this thread into an abortion debate.

I'm sorry I took it there, and I wasn't assuming anything about you, I assure you. I was just trying to add nuance to "A+++ pro life." Very few things in this world are black-or-white and politics that treat them all as such are what lead us to where we are. I could argue that it fits the theme of the thread - pro-life voters aren't voting for dead mothers, but like much of the things Trump voters don't like, they need to hold the people they voted for accountable. With that, I'll bow out. Sorry for the derail.

 

[44hunter45]

I'm sorry I took it there, and I wasn't assuming anything about you, I assure you. I was just trying to add nuance to "A+++ pro life." Very few things in this world are black-or-white and politics that treat them all as such are what lead us to where we are.

We have common ground. There is a lot of real estate between abortion on demand for any reason and a maternal health crisis. Each of us has to decide where we are on this spectrum.

The OP asked for input from Montanans on the article posted. Wrong of me to inject an Idaho election.

As far as the OP article. Terry Zink and I could have beers together any time based on his political description in the article.

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

Someday I hope the choices for POTUS will be better. It seems to get exponentially worse every time.