Ranchers Shouldering the Waste of Mining and Coal Bed Methane?

[elkduds]

This is not the thread to hash this discussion - but since you persist ....

Post #42 on the thread "OR Ballot to end hunting, ....: elkduds: "Democrats like me value ..., fair distribution of wealth; ....". I asked you (privately) to clarify what that meant, to "check[ing] for understanding, in which you seek input from whoever you are interfacing with to see if they understand you and you understand them." You chose not to elaborate which is your prerogative even when I asked how this applies to private property. Private property in all its forms is "wealth"; land, buildings, collectibles, precious metals, stocks, etc. But you stated quite clearly that you believe in redistribution of that wealth, presumably by the government, and most assuredly against the wishes of the individual that owns that wealth. So given that, one can only surmise that you don't support private property rights. At least you refused to state that explicitly in our side discussion.

Surmise until your face turns blue, doesn't make it so. Our government redistributes wealth every day. Doge, tax loopholes, presidential pardons, discounted lease rates for extractive uses on public lands, grants, the new specialty of withholding grants previously made, contracts, employing civilians in military and government positions. . .It could be fairly argued that the primary function of our government is the redistribution of wealth. I believe that should not be bought and sold to the largest donors and highest bidders exclusively, since the taxpayer $ came from us all. Regulations that allow the enrichment of big oil/gas at the expense of the driving and public land owning voters are bad policy. Federal properties held in the public trust should remain in the public trust, not transferred into private ownership. Corner crossing = right of public to access our lands vs. right of private owners to exclude us from same. Since granting public access to corner-blocked public lands does not impinge on private rights on private property, I support corner crossing. Those are examples I consider when balancing government redistribution of wealth. Your false premise is that anyone who values more equitable distribution of wealth completely opposes all private property rights. Wrong, private and public property rights exist in a balance, heavily influenced by our government That balance is being tilted in an oligarchic direction by the current POTUS administration, illustrated by Citizens United/SCOTUS.

 

[Bighorner]

My understanding was the irrigation was sold as a beneficial use. In reality it was a solution to getting rid of the water. The problem is under a best case condition the ground will become as salty as the water applied. In reality the ground starts to accumulate salt because the topsoil is not getting enough water to flush the salts out. Overtime the accusation gets to the point it destroys the soil. This is a particular problem in the PRB where we have a lot of heavy clay and flushing the soil and maintaining a crop is not feasible. I believe they were a bad idea from the start and sold as solution that would never pan out.

The water is a product of the target coal seam. The coal needs to be dewatered for the gas to start to flow from the well. In the Powder River Basin most a large portions of aquifers are coal seems. As a result the water takes on some of the chemistry of the surrounding coal.

 

[Irrelevant]

Yes, let's continue to trust industry and the politicians they buy.

Report shows two Wyoming coal plants are contaminating groundwater, but the company says it’s in compliance

A national report looking at coal ash sites and groundwater contamination was released Thursday, Nov. 3. According to the data, Wyoming has two coal plants that are in the top five nationally for most contaminated; however, the company in question disputes some of the accusations.

www.wyomingpublicmedia.org

On a Wyoming Ranch, Feds Sacrifice Tomorrow's Water to Mine Uranium Today

A battle over uranium mining at Christensen Ranch, a remote 35,000-acre tract in Wyoming, could shape decisions nationwide as mining surges in drought-stricken areas.

www.propublica.org

I would trust Epstein with my daughter before I would trust any Extractive Industry and its fox-in-the-hen-house regulators, subservient politicians.

 

[Irrelevant]

Interior Advances Revisions to Oil and Gas Leasing and Waste Prevention Rules to Support American Energy Dominance | U.S. Department of the Interior

The Department of the Interior today announced two coordinated regulatory actions aimed at modernizing federal onshore oil and gas policy, eliminating unnecessary administrative barriers, and strengthening the nation’s long-term energy leadership. The proposals revise both the Bureau of Land...

www.doi.gov

These rules will advance two key changes for oil and gas development. First, the Department is ending the Biden-era state-wide bonding requirement that raised costs to $500,000 and replacing it with the previous $25,000 standard while gathering public input on a fair long-term approach. Making it so this rule is no longer being weaponized to penalize energy development. Second, updates to the waste prevention rule are expected to cut compliance costs by nearly $17 million annually, reduce red tape, and bring greater transparency for taxpayers.

"Energy Dominance requires regulatory clarity,” said Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum. “These targeted updates cut through the red tape that has historically deterred investment, ensuring our public lands remain a reliable engine for economic growth and innovation."

So despite decades of known regulatory failures that have negatively impacted public resources and those that depend on them, we are going to reduce the regulatory thresholds and allow industry to continue the raping and pillaging.

Privatize the profits and socialize the costs. This is literally the worst form of corporate welfare, at least when we gave the big banks billions, they didn't #*^@#* over everyone downstream and actually paid it back.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

Thanks for demonstrating for others the pervasive flaw in your private correspondence. "It's a shame you don't support. . ." People know what they said or wrote. Your tactic of inserting your bias into statements you wrongly attribute to others has likely ended more discussions than you realize. I said nothing above about opposition to private property rights. So everything you wrote above after "It's a shame" was you telling yourself what you already believe, moot to me. There's this principle in communication, checking for understanding, in which you seek input from whoever you are interfacing with to see if they understand you and you understand them. Perhaps you should read

https://www.navfac.navy.mil/Portals/68/Checking-for-Understanding-Workbook.pdf

Whether you do or don't, correcting your "you were wrong when you said that thing you never said" assertions is not the responsibility anyone except you. Boredom with and ignoring your tiresome, manipulative strategies of arguing do not connote agreement with you.

I thank you and everyone who advocates on behalf of our public lands legacy and treasures.

i admire your positions, and commitments. That said your delivery will get in the way of your cause.