Population Growth and Hunting in Rocky Mountain States

[SO7mm]

Was scrolling thru tv channels just now and there is a Mountain Home search show....this episode a MT couple are looking for a Central Coast CA home.....LOL
Acreage,views,on a hill/mtn. In their budget.
I know the area well. I know 2 of the 3 homes they look at.
They get a deal on the well known McVictorian in the coast range,74 ac. Lots of water. Springs.The road to the home slid 3 times while they built.....There is a reason there is not a tree on those slopes too,the wind.Or fires.
Incredable views,when it's not socked in fog.
It was so funny & ironic. They sold a place in Bozeman to move there. LOL

That's a good one. They must not be on hunting forums reading about what a chit hole it is here.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Wrong approach.

You: "Man, these summers are just getting hotter & stickier."

Wife: "Ugh. I know, but luckily we have AC."

You: "Wouldn't a little place in the Mountains be nice? Just a little cabin, next to a babbling brook, where you can read outside all summer."

Her: "I'm suspicious, yet intrigued."

You: "Well, I'm the man of the house, so I say we spend a few weeks up there this year looking and playing around."

Her: "I could see spending a couple of weeks where it's cool & you don't swim through the air."

You: "I'll book the tickets."

You sir, are a genius

 

[Cornell Cowboy]

Perhaps the growth is not so dramatic across ALL Rocky Mountain states: Wyoming Had Slowest Population Growth in West, Census Says...apparently Utah and Idaho are where it's at!

Percent change in population from 2010 to 2020:
Wyoming - 2.3% --> average annual growth rate of 0.23%
New Mexico - 2.8%
South Dakota - 8.9%
Montana - 9.6%
Arizona - 11.9%
Colorado - 14.8%
Nevada - 15%
North Dakota - 15.8%
Idaho - 17.3%
Utah - 18.4% --> average annual growth rate of 1.7% (~7.4x higher than WY!)

 

[Corn king 60]

Perhaps the growth is not so dramatic across ALL Rocky Mountain states: Wyoming Had Slowest Population Growth in West, Census Says...apparently Utah and Idaho are where it's at!

Percent change in population from 2010 to 2020:
Wyoming - 2.3% --> average annual growth rate of 0.23%
New Mexico - 2.8%
South Dakota - 8.9%
Montana - 9.6%
Arizona - 11.9%
Colorado - 14.8%
Nevada - 15%
North Dakota - 15.8%
Idaho - 17.3%
Utah - 18.4% --> average annual growth rate of 1.7% (~7.4x higher than WY!)

How is NORTH DAKOTA 15.8%

 

[Beignet]

How is NORTH DAKOTA 15.8%

Everyone took the “Montana is full, try North Dakota” thing literally.

 

[hank4elk]

Everyone took the “Montana is full, try North Dakota” thing literally.

Earle fields,black gold. Or they stuck their Harley's in the snow.

Nothing to see in NM, you can't see on tv.

 

[Deleted member 16014]

Perhaps the growth is not so dramatic across ALL Rocky Mountain states: Wyoming Had Slowest Population Growth in West, Census Says...apparently Utah and Idaho are where it's at!

Percent change in population from 2010 to 2020:
Wyoming - 2.3% --> average annual growth rate of 0.23%
New Mexico - 2.8%
South Dakota - 8.9%
Montana - 9.6%
Arizona - 11.9%
Colorado - 14.8%
Nevada - 15%
North Dakota - 15.8%
Idaho - 17.3%
Utah - 18.4% --> average annual growth rate of 1.7% (~7.4x higher than WY!)

Despite the pros for the dedicated outdoors person, WY has remained a legitimately hard place to find work, access health care+amenities and travel to/from reliably, relative to other western states. Maybe the zoom boom will make a bit more of a wave when that data wanders in.

 

[BuzzH]

Despite the pros for the dedicated outdoors person, WY has remained a legitimately hard place to find work, access health care+amenities and travel to/from reliably, relative to other western states. Maybe the zoom boom will make a bit more of a wave when that data wanders in.

Moving here for just the hunting and fishing opportunities is a steep price to pay.

Lots of days I wish I was somewhere else...it isn't for the timid.

 

[Kimber7man]

Despite the pros for the dedicated outdoors person, WY has remained a legitimately hard place to find work, access health care+amenities and travel to/from reliably, relative to other western states. Maybe the zoom boom will make a bit more of a wave when that data wanders in.

I‘m really trying to get my partners to find and merge with another engineering firm in Wyoming. Wife wouldn’t mind. I don’t think.....

 

[Hunting Wife]

How is NORTH DAKOTA 15.8%

Bakken oil boom. This place was completely nuts.

 

[Corn king 60]

Bakken oil boom. This place was completely nuts.

Yeah I guess
didn’t think of that

 

[Nameless Range]

This thread resurrects and goes off the rails, but it is the one I think of when I see or read things related to it.

Ochenski is often off his rocker, and I think halting out of state advertising for Montana would change little, as the word is out, but I agree with the sentiment. In my opinion, our offices of tourism should not revolve around the virtues of tourism, but harnessing its vices as best we can.

Opinion: It’s time to quit advertising Montana

Ochenski opinion: Spend the advertising money — along with a lot more — dealing with the impacts past advertising has wrought.

missoulian.com

 

[Oak]

This thread resurrects and goes off the rails, but it is the one I think of when I see or read things related to it.

Ochenski is often off his rocker, and I think halting out of state advertising for Montana would change little, as the word is out, but I agree with the sentiment. In my opinion, our offices of tourism should not revolve around the virtues of tourism, but harnessing its vices as best we can.

Opinion: It’s time to quit advertising Montana

Ochenski opinion: Spend the advertising money — along with a lot more — dealing with the impacts past advertising has wrought.

missoulian.com

Success is measured in growth rate, unfortunately. It is why, incrementally, we will lose everything we love.

 

[MTTW]

We are all advertising. I think about it from time to time and go back and delete my pictures and content. Kind of sad we share what we love and sell ourselves out at the same time.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Success is measured in growth rate, unfortunately. It is why, incrementally, we will lose everything we love.

You may be right. However, I think that when the government speaks of growth rates, they really trying to say that they have grown or trying to grow tax revenue without saying the word taxes. On that basis, the State could choose to manage the "growth rate" by admitting that the State is trying to increase tax revenue and then find a better way to do it other than increasing population and building subdivisions.

 

[Irrelevant]

Mayor Bill Cole on Why Many Are Moving to Billings, Montana

Billings, like many smaller cities, has experienced an influx of newcomers since the pandemic began

time.com

 

[Elkmagnet]

Mr Cole says in the article that the growth needs to pay for itself.
That reminds me of how my tax estimate went up $150 a month with my homeowners exemption. Every one is going to pay for the growth not just the newcomers.

 

[BlazerBeam]

Mayor Bill Cole on Why Many Are Moving to Billings, Montana

Billings, like many smaller cities, has experienced an influx of newcomers since the pandemic began

time.com

If all you have to show in terms of "growth" is a bigger population, that is not a good thing, and I am not sure why this guy would be all giddy about that.

 

[aci07]

I imagine they'll price out the normal folks and the mountains will be filled with 10k rifles and 2k worth of camo.

 

[Cheesehead]

Having never lived out West but spent a fair amount of time traveling through and hanging out in various towns, the whole thing strikes me as a lesson in ‘be careful what you wish for’ for local chambers of commerce, development at all costs types, etc.