Bought a pair of the waypoint pants and have been surprised by them on just about everything from fit, to comfort, to warmth, to durability so far. There are some different things about them that took a little getting use to, but after giving them a chance, kind of like the little things they've incorporated into the pants. They definitely are wind proof and warm, yet breathable. Probably not for everyone, but couldn't find a good fitting pair of sitka pants for what I personally wanted. Wanted something quieter, that was wind proof. They definitely fit that bill better than anything I looked at from sitka. Everyone is different and has different wants/needs and they definitely are different from sitka or 1stlite. Own stuff from all 3 companies, as well as a puffy from llbean and merino long johns from rei that have all performed well. Most companies have really up'd their game in the clothing department since more people want lighter, higher quality clothing. Weight wise they are a touch heavier than sitka stuff, but seem like a better fit for what I needed. The ability to cool the crotch down with a couple zippers is a nice touch. Can put a pair of merino wool longies on, over a pair of sitka back forty pants, with the waypoint pants in the pack and be plenty warm with that setup for just about any scenario in colder weather. They do well walking, but not something you want to wear over to many layers if you need to hike in then sit.