Well we went out for opening deer on Sunday and came back with nothing but less weight. We hiked our butts off in some of the nastiest chit I have been into befoe. The signs were there without a doubt. Saw two bucks, a forky and a 4x4. Shot at the 4x4 but did not score with all the chit to shoot through. Well maybe next weekend. They are in there, just seeing them is a bitch.