Nope smokers not allowed

[Rack Daniels]

Some of the wisest and most talented people I know use cannabis.
I know lawyers, artists, inventors, builders, accountants, bosses and workers that would work circles around us. I’m not saying let’s all blaze a fatty and sing Kumbaya together. I’m saying that you can be a pothead and STILL be the best and most valued employee, the one that takes the time to see both sides, the one with patience and compassion, the one that makes the boss the money.

Unfortunately people like you can’t accept that kind of reality….

I want every gun owner to make wise decisions. Period. I am of the belief that even the most sane sober moral and prudent carriers still make bad decisions and based on the recent news, I’d say the “sane sober moral and prudent” folks are shooting more people than the pot heads!

Good day to you sir

 

[Treeshark]

In other words… a lot?

 

[Nick87]

Unfortunately people like you can’t accept that kind of reality….

I want every gun owner to make wise decisions. Period. I am of the belief that even the most sane sober moral and prudent carriers still make bad decisions and based on the recent news, I’d say the “sane sober moral and prudent” folks are shooting more people than the pot heads!

Good day to you sir

I'm gonna guess you were talking to me?? Or are you talking to yourself? Pot has never really been my thing. Almost all, probably 75% of my friends and family use it on a regular if not daily basis. So I dont know what reality I'm not accepting? I stated that if you get high on company time your almost guaranteed to lose your job. Pretty much all the contractors that we work for at schools, hospitals, DOT pretty much wherever have a zero tolerance rule. I'm not sure what's so hard to comprehend about that?

 

[Rack Daniels]

I'm gonna guess you were talking to me?? Or are you talking to yourself? Pot has never really been my thing. Almost all, probably 75% of my friends and family use it on a regular if not daily basis. So I dont know what reality I'm not accepting? I stated that if you get high on company time your almost guaranteed to lose your job. Pretty much all the contractors that we work for at schools, hospitals, DOT pretty much wherever have a zero tolerance rule. I'm not sure what's so hard to comprehend about that?

I agree with all of that. That’s not what it sounded like to me, though. Regardless, no ill will. Have a good day man.

 

[Nick87]

 

[BuzzH]

I agree with all of that. That’s not what it sounded like to me, though. Regardless, no ill will. Have a good day dude.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

What if his girlfriend is sending him titty pics every day—15 minutes before he gets off? “Can’t wait til you get here babe!”

Again, easy for onlookers to speculate.
Sounding super judgey… poor bastards

When you're responsible for people not getting hurt on a construction site and you've seen a lot of people get hurt, you dont want the dazed looking guy around.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I am more interested in hearing predictions on how the supreme court will rule, why it will or wont be justified, and if you are in favor of it or not....

 

[Drake4]

Thankful that I have been drug/alcohol tested since my freshman year in college, and work with people daily who are required to do the same.

 

[Straight Arrow]

Some of the wisest and most talented people I know use cannabis.

Does "Flat Brim" connote an endearment to MJ?

 

[mevertsen]

I work in construction too. Have had to let a lot of good employees go in the past because they pissed positive for THC in random drug tests. That's with no indication of use/impairment on the job. Most of jobs these days are union and the unions dont typically allow random testing so it has been less of an issue. Used to be 30-50 people random tested per month depending on job size.

There's always been some guys who just cant help but drink/smoke/snort on the job.. and they've always been terminated if caught. I wouldn't work for a company that put up with it either.

Serious question.

How many alcohol tests are done at the same time as the drug tests.

Reason I ask is that if there are no signs of impairment, and a person is positive for however long after use, why do we allow for alcohol to be present, but any other drug not?

I had to get drug tested randomly, one year got hit each quarter. Alcohol never got looked at, and I've dealt with plenty of people over the years, who I'm amazed could function and work due to alcohol.

***alcohol did get looked at, but almost always only on a reasonable suspicion case, not simply having it in your system.

I know one guy where I worked, drinks daily, smoked part of a joint one weekend, got popped on a random, and had to go to rehab for drug use.

Alcohol was never brought up as an issue.

Made no sense to me.

Only conclusion I could come up with, was federal funding. Its illegal federally, and we get fed money, so cant let that cash cow go.

 

[mevertsen]

In how my above post relates to this case,

I've dealt with a lot of people who absolutely should not have guns because of their alcohol abuse, and where many problems were created because of such.

I cant recall a Marijuana smoker doing anything dumb with a gun. But lots of drunks doing stupid stuff with guns.

 

[SAJ-99]

I am more interested in hearing predictions on how the supreme court will rule, why it will or wont be justified, and if you are in favor of it or not....

They will reject the prosecution, which I would support. The case is weak and we all know the questions on that doc and the various state rules on firearm ownership are ambiguous. We can thank SCOTUS for that. They certainly won’t clarify anything though.
The whole thing was brought because of Hemani’s background and travel to the Middle East. I’m not sure how this ended up at SCOTUS. I do find it interesting that gun owners are on the same side as the ACLU.

 

[406dn]

My biggest interaction with this issue was as the chairman of the Union, while working at the refinery. The Union was never agreeable to random testing, but there was a for cause testing program. The Company had a very strict policy, especially after an impaired ship captain rammed an oil tanker against the rocks, coming out of a certain sound in Alaska.

By and large the workforce was highly competent, with some exceptions. One man, while coming into the refinery, told the chairman of the union before me...hey I quit smoking weed. The chairman said...that's great, so how long ago did you quit? Oh, about five minutes ago, was his response.

The pothead resigned a little while later, then tried to get his job back. The company said no, we accept your resignation.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Serious question.

How many alcohol tests are done at the same time as the drug tests.

Reason I ask is that if there are no signs of impairment, and a person is positive for however long after use, why do we allow for alcohol to be present, but any other drug not?

I had to get drug tested randomly, one year got hit each quarter. Alcohol never got looked at, and I've dealt with plenty of people over the years, who I'm amazed could function and work due to alcohol.

***alcohol did get looked at, but almost always only on a reasonable suspicion case, not simply having it in your system.

I know one guy where I worked, drinks daily, smoked part of a joint one weekend, got popped on a random, and had to go to rehab for drug use.

Alcohol was never brought up as an issue.

Made no sense to me.

Only conclusion I could come up with, was federal funding. Its illegal federally, and we get fed money, so cant let that cash cow go.

Yes, alcohol testing has always been done along with drugs on random and reasonable suspicion testing in my career. Thing with drugs is the person might not be currently impaired and still pop hot. Alcohol, not so much.