Non-political Make ICE hate make sense to me. Can it be civil?

[BigHornRam]

Good example of when the local LE work with ICE and Border Patrol. Problem resolved peacefully.
Protest at Rock Springs hotel lodging border patrol officers prompts police response - WyoFile https://share.google/61KP4CYdKS6mF1nzo

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

And that bolded part is what should be the mandatory minimum for anyone running for president. Unfortunately, we as a country have strayed very far away from that criterion.

Citizens United vs. FEC has made it impossible for decent human beings to compete for any major office these days.

 

[BigHornRam]

Google will give you a dozen articles. I heard it from a few places last summer.

Inside Ag: Idaho dairies brace for uncertainty amid new immigration enforcement threats

Producers are worried about their people, product, and what will happen to the prices if it continues.

www.ktvb.com

This line in the article sums it up.....

For decades, dairy leaders have asked Congress for something to help them legally hire the workers they depend on.

 

[brymoore]

This line in the article sums it up.....

For decades, dairy leaders have asked Congress for something to help them legally hire the workers they depend on.

Yep. Immigration programs needs updated.

 

[BigHornRam]

Yep. Immigration programs needs updated.

As well as the Visa program. The dairy industries problem is the work is not seasonal, but most of the foreign workers just want to work here. They don't want to immigrate here. This was mentioned in the article......

"One possible thing that could help is allowing year-round dairy workers to have access to the seasonal H-2A visa program."

 

[howl]

There's no should or shouldn't. You can't save someone from drowning by drowning yourself. Look at the tax taken from your paycheck. Look at how much credit card debt people carry.

We don't need immigrants nor can we afford them. We can't afford so-called asylum seekers. We can't even afford foreign aid.

Consider this. An illegal can make $20+ an hour picking watermelons. Why? Because our native labor is tied up by government programs. The adults can get an acceptable quality of life, by their standards, off welfare. The teens are sitting at school doing little to nothing for years longer than necessary. 'migos aren't doing things we cannot, they're just doing what we don't because our excessive taxes fund wasteful programs which prevent us.

The immigration problem is wholly artificial. Opposition to deportation is from ignorance and greed.

 

[BigHornRam]

There's no should or shouldn't. You can't save someone from drowning by drowning yourself. Look at the tax taken from your paycheck. Look at how much credit card debt people carry.

We don't need immigrants nor can we afford them. We can't afford so-called asylum seekers. We can't even afford foreign aid.

Consider this. An illegal can make $20+ an hour picking watermelons. Why? Because our native labor is tied up by government programs. The adults can get an acceptable quality of life, by their standards, off welfare. The teens are sitting at school doing little to nothing for years longer than necessary. 'migos aren't doing things we cannot, they're just doing what we don't because our excessive taxes fund wasteful programs which prevent us.

The immigration problem is wholly artificial. Opposition to deportation is from ignorance and greed.

I worked on dairies in high school and after. It was hard work and great work experience. It was also great incentive to get a college education.

 

[Straight Arrow]

There's no should or shouldn't. You can't save someone from drowning by drowning yourself. Look at the tax taken from your paycheck. Look at how much credit card debt people carry.

We don't need immigrants nor can we afford them. We can't afford so-called asylum seekers. We can't even afford foreign aid.

Consider this. An illegal can make $20+ an hour picking watermelons. Why? Because our native labor is tied up by government programs. The adults can get an acceptable quality of life, by their standards, off welfare. The teens are sitting at school doing little to nothing for years longer than necessary. 'migos aren't doing things we cannot, they're just doing what we don't because our excessive taxes fund wasteful programs which prevent us.

The immigration problem is wholly artificial. Opposition to deportation is from ignorance and greed.

Respectfully, I must sympathize with you ... as clearly circumstances burdened you with a lemon of life. If I were you, move to another country might be the solution.

On the other hand, IMO this nation has enough wealth to do darn near anything anyone can dream of, but certainly to help downtrodden poor countries and peoples.
The taxation structure is in dire need of revision. Public education most places is okay, but always warrants improvement and changes to keep up with technology of the world.
Federal, state, and local governmental programs and organizations need reform to be more efficient, void of "waste, fraud, and abuse", and better at providing citizen safety, care, and maintenance of infrastructure. However, those programs and organizations are critical to our needs and necessarily are funded by taxes.

I assert that most working folks have the financial ability to pay a fair share of taxes to keep things operating for the good of all. Those who have been burdened by the lemon of life are best treated with uplift and care ... by the rest of us who have won the lottery of life by being born in the USA and being able to thrive and get ahead through education, hard work, managing money, and also sharing as volunteers and good citizens.

 

[Forkyfinder]

We are often not helping as much as we might think.

 

[BigHornRam]

Not so peaceful protest.

Live updates: Arrests made as protesters clash with officers in downtown Los Angeles after 'ICE Out' protest - ABC7 Los Angeles https://abc7.com/live-updates/live-...cers-during-ice-protest-downtown-la/18511419/

 

[Wildabeest]

Have not read all the replies, but one factor I don't see in the OP is the value immigration has to our economic interests in the US.

It's huge, and absolutely necessary--every demographer and economist would agree.

Why?

The US Birth rate will fall below death rate in just a few years. We went through most of our lives with the huge flush of baby boomers contributing to our economy. Most of them will be retired or dead in just a few years. To maintain our economy, we need more babies born. Child bearing age people is MUCH lower than average over past years and we also know they do not have the same outlook on numbers of children they want to have as average in the past. Many want none--not something common in the past.

People are needed to fill jobs, and not just grow but maintain our economy. We are running out of people.

Basic government costs--policing, transportation and everything they do for us--need people paying taxes to fund.

Suddenly many less people and those expenses still have to be paid. Guess how that occurs? HIGHER TAXES FOR US ALL.

So we need--badly need--immigrants.

Trump and MAGA fans--as seen in other threads--have a completely different take--that immigrants are the problem, not the solution.

Anti-immigration is anti american economy and pro higher taxes.

Sounds like a massive Ponzi scheme.

 

[brymoore]

I worked on dairies in high school and after. It was hard work and great work experience. It was also great incentive to get a college education.

I grew up milking cows as a teenager before the explosion of dairy farm size. The size of the dairies now require a labor force size that’s hard to find.

 

[Bonasababy]

There's no should or shouldn't. You can't save someone from drowning by drowning yourself. Look at the tax taken from your paycheck. Look at how much credit card debt people carry.

We don't need immigrants nor can we afford them. We can't afford so-called asylum seekers. We can't even afford foreign aid.

Consider this. An illegal can make $20+ an hour picking watermelons. Why? Because our native labor is tied up by government programs. The adults can get an acceptable quality of life, by their standards, off welfare. The teens are sitting at school doing little to nothing for years longer than necessary. 'migos aren't doing things we cannot, they're just doing what we don't because our excessive taxes fund wasteful programs which prevent us.

The immigration problem is wholly artificial. Opposition to deportation is from ignorance and greed.

Same views expressed by many...but stray far from reality.

Maybe this is a source you'd take to heart?

Benefits of Immigration Outweigh the Costs

As the debate surrounding immigration heats up, the contributions immigrants make remain an economic boost we cannot overlook.

www.bushcenter.org

 

[Bonasababy]

I will give another example of how the popular opinion of some on an immigration issue runs counter to reality.

We have a state run health insurance program here that helps people get insurance. It had been available to all ...including immigrants.

Republicans in our legislature forced that provision out during the last legislature.

Makes sense to many...why should we extend that program to immigrants who arent yet US citizens? It costs us all money to do so!

Well its not that simple. Most medical providers are non-profits, some work under strong religion influenced requirements to extend care...things that legally and morally do not allow them to refuse medical care to people needing it.

So you have people whose care used to be mostly paid by insurance who cant get insurance anymore. Those people still need medical care...but they won't seek it until their problem is dire.

When its much more expensive to treat.

And the provider has to treat...and has to do so without payment.

Those costs arent just swallowed by providers...the providers have to raise their costs for others to cover it.

Insurance costs for all go up.

Theres another issue...particularly affecting rural providers in non-wealthy areas. Their patients cant absorb the higher costs that need to be passed onto to them. Coupled with cuts to medicaid enacted under Trump, many rural providers already barely staying alive are talking about closing down.

Now this is here, in MN. We have far FEWER immigrants than most all western and Southern border states.

 

[Redmt]

There needs to be a clarification of people involved. Not all immigrants are illegals.

 

[Elkmagnet]

I am dumbfounded how little law and order this country actually has.

Judge rips Trump admin for ICE having 'violated' nearly 100 court orders since Jan. 1

Days after ordering the leader of ICE to appear before him, a federal judge in Minnesota has ripped into the agency, accusing it of violating roughly 100 court orders since the start of 2026.

lawandcrime.com

 

[Archer86]

Same views expressed by many...but stray far from reality.

Maybe this is a source you'd take to heart?

Benefits of Immigration Outweigh the Costs

As the debate surrounding immigration heats up, the contributions immigrants make remain an economic boost we cannot overlook.

www.bushcenter.org

But not unlimited immigration biden let in more illegals then any president in the 20 years before him. Why don't you look at the percentage of those that actual went into the fields you claim we need workers for.the percentage that actually go into those areas of work is no where close to what biden administration let in the country.......

 

[Lota lota]

Yeah, but they have rights. Because as a nation built on the backs of immigrants from countries with war or failed governments we determine that these people deserved to be treated with respect, even if we decided they couldn’t stay. Those rights of many have been systematically violated over the last few weeks.

They entered illegally though? I don't understand how hard this is to comprehend. It's a "Temporary" status, not a full time residency. Enter the legal way.

 

[Lota lota]

Respectfully, I must sympathize with you ... as clearly circumstances burdened you with a lemon of life. If I were you, move to another country might be the solution.

On the other hand, IMO this nation has enough wealth to do darn near anything anyone can dream of, but certainly to help downtrodden poor countries and peoples.
The taxation structure is in dire need of revision. Public education most places is okay, but always warrants improvement and changes to keep up with technology of the world.
Federal, state, and local governmental programs and organizations need reform to be more efficient, void of "waste, fraud, and abuse", and better at providing citizen safety, care, and maintenance of infrastructure. However, those programs and organizations are critical to our needs and necessarily are funded by taxes.

I assert that most working folks have the financial ability to pay a fair share of taxes to keep things operating for the good of all. Those who have been burdened by the lemon of life are best treated with uplift and care ... by the rest of us who have won the lottery of life by being born in the USA and being able to thrive and get ahead through education, hard work, managing money, and also sharing as volunteers and good citizens.

How about we take care of our own country first? Fentanyl crisis, homelessness and veterans care?

 

[Redmt]

How about we take care of our own country first? Fentanyl crisis, homelessness and veterans care?

I pay, they don't. They get, I don't. That's a bit oversimplified but the point remains that illegals, not immigrants, get something for nothing while the rest of the country pays for it. What is so hard to accept?