New Illinois bill wants handgun ammo serialized

noharleyyet said:
"Red states fault..."

-Chicago Mayor Brandon Jonson
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He isn't necessarily wrong in that the guns and ammo are mostly coming from states with lax gun laws.

abc7chicago.com

Less than half the guns used in Illinois crime come from Illinois, data analysis shows

New data analyzed by the ABC7 I-Team found less than half of all guns used in crimes in Illinois came from Illinois.
abc7chicago.com abc7chicago.com

crimelab.uchicago.edu

Understanding Underground Gun Markets - University of Chicago Crime Lab

The Crime Lab explored how people access firearms and ammunition in the illicit market.
crimelab.uchicago.edu crimelab.uchicago.edu

This solution, though, makes little sense.
 
Dave N said:
With this bill, only if neighboring states also serialized the ammo. Multiple weapons categorized as assault weapons still would be required to be registered if not already forbidden to purchase. Buying something isn't the issue. It's the possession of that gets hinky.
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I think most of the rural sheriffs in IL have said that they are not going to pursue or enforce this stuff. There are already millions of these so called assault weapons in the state that were legally purchased and are owned and used responsibly by law abiding citizens. No way in h#ll they can all be tracked.

None of this stuff matters anyway when it comes to crime, because criminals don't follow laws.
 
Ben Lamb said:
He isn't necessarily wrong in that the guns and ammo are mostly coming from states with lax gun laws.

abc7chicago.com

Less than half the guns used in Illinois crime come from Illinois, data analysis shows

New data analyzed by the ABC7 I-Team found less than half of all guns used in crimes in Illinois came from Illinois.
abc7chicago.com abc7chicago.com

crimelab.uchicago.edu

Understanding Underground Gun Markets - University of Chicago Crime Lab

The Crime Lab explored how people access firearms and ammunition in the illicit market.
crimelab.uchicago.edu crimelab.uchicago.edu

This solution, though, makes little sense.
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These threads are not the place for facts and logic.
 
I buy ammo in missouri all the time. They dont ask for anything. The only problems i have had is buying handguns in missouri.
 
Dave N said:
I can't see it going anywhere but this is Illinois after all. We thought the assault weapons registration would be overturned but it's still law. I'll let you know if I get charged for it. ;) I don't think I really need any handgun ammo but I could probably use my cabela's points for a case of shotgun shells.
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Im almost certain from everything ive seen and read its only a matter of time before the ban on bad guns, mag capacity etc is deemed uncostitutional. The supreme court just ruled the 10 round magazine restriction in DC was unconstitutional.
 
buckbull said:
Im almost certain from everything ive seen and read its only a matter of time before the ban on bad guns, mag capacity etc is deemed uncostitutional. The supreme court just ruled the 10 round magazine restriction in DC was unconstitutional.
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DC district court made that decision. And DC might be viewed as a different animal. Still lots of state laws on mag size are still in courts. Those are worth watching.
 
noharleyyet said:
Not when 'facts or logic' is soley dependent upon which narrative is being promulgated.
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In the course of huiman events, never has the side I support been wrong, and never has the side you support been right.

Which is politics in a nutshell.

The point I was making is that if you look at the issue from the perspective of the Mayor, the statement makes sense. If you apply other lenses it doesn't.

That roughly more than half of the guns used in crimes in Chicago come from other states isn't a false statement. The rhetoric the mayor used was unhelpful to be sure. In fact, the bill in question would likely see far more influx in ammunition from other states as people seek to avoid that route (which some members have said here and I don't blame them one bit). So the net effect is going to be nil, or less-than-nil in terms of reducing violent crime.
 
Ben Lamb said:
He isn't necessarily wrong in that the guns and ammo are mostly coming from states with lax gun laws.

abc7chicago.com

Less than half the guns used in Illinois crime come from Illinois, data analysis shows

New data analyzed by the ABC7 I-Team found less than half of all guns used in crimes in Illinois came from Illinois.
abc7chicago.com abc7chicago.com

crimelab.uchicago.edu

Understanding Underground Gun Markets - University of Chicago Crime Lab

The Crime Lab explored how people access firearms and ammunition in the illicit market.
crimelab.uchicago.edu crimelab.uchicago.edu

This solution, though, makes little sense.
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Just my two cents....how do you figure the guns and ammo are "mostly" coming from states with lax gun laws. The article literally say 49.8% come from his state...that's Half of all the guns ...I know it's a great technicality to say less than half but let's be realistic....with four other states totalling less than 30%. Where are the other 20% coming from. Blue states with tight gun laws or non trace(able)?? Either way I agree this is dumb idea
 
Ben Lamb said:
In the course of huiman events, never has the side I support been wrong, and never has the side you support been right.

Which is politics in a nutshell.

The point I was making is that if you look at the issue from the perspective of the Mayor, the statement makes sense. If you apply other lenses it doesn't.

That roughly more than half of the guns used in crimes in Chicago come from other states isn't a false statement. The rhetoric the mayor used was unhelpful to be sure. In fact, the bill in question would likely see far more influx in ammunition from other states as people seek to avoid that route (which some members have said here and I don't blame them one bit). So the net effect is going to be nil, or less-than-nil in terms of reducing violent crime.
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Mudranger1 said:
Just my two cents....how do you figure the guns and ammo are "mostly" coming from states with lax gun laws. The article literally say 49.8% come from his state...that's Half of all the guns ...I know it's a great technicality to say less than half but let's be realistic....with four other states totalling less than 30%. Where are the other 20% coming from. Blue states with tight gun laws or non trace(able)?? Either way I agree this is dumb idea
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I did some statistical analysis for the city 20 years ago. The numbers are always squishy because we don't/can't track guns. (Note that maybe that is what they are trying to do with this bill? No clue. On surface I agree with Ben Lamb, seems like a pie-in-the-sky idea). The number you see is from those that were traceable. Most were traced back to being previously "stolen", whatever that might mean. It's about half. What number do you think it should be? I vaguely remember a statistically significant number coming for a couple of specific shops in MS and/or LA. Details escape me. The illegal sale of guns is an entire industry.

Enjoy the reading.


 
noharleyyet said:
Not when 'facts or logic' is solely dependent upon which narrative is being promulgated.
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This thread isn't about narratives or politics. It is where people can come wallow in their own complaints about the politics in the places they freely choose to live. Let them wallow. They are having fun.
 
Mudranger1 said:
Just my two cents....how do you figure the guns and ammo are "mostly" coming from states with lax gun laws. The article literally say 49.8% come from his state...that's Half of all the guns ...I know it's a great technicality to say less than half but let's be realistic....with four other states totalling less than 30%. Where are the other 20% coming from. Blue states with tight gun laws or non trace(able)?? Either way I agree this is dumb idea
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I don't know if we will ever have the actual totals from inside or outside states, and given IL's stricter than average gun laws (as opposed to say MN to choose a blue state) then the ease of purchase and movement becomes the primary concern for the illegal purchasers. that would lead me to believe that while the study has traced 49% or whatever of recovered guns to sales inside IL, we don't know if they are part of the more white collar/domestic violence side of the equation or if they were used in gangland shootings. So out of the guns recovered, it's about 50%. I'd wager that out of all firearms related crime it's closer to 25%.

Which is the basic issue in a nutshell: Guns don't stay in the state they were purchased. Neither does ammo.
 
SAJ-99 said:
This thread isn't about narratives or politics. It is where people can come wallow in their own complaints about the politics in the places they freely choose to live. Let them wallow. They are having fun.
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SAJ-99 said:
This thread isn't about narratives or politics. It is where people can come wallow in their own complaints about the politics in the places they freely choose to live. Let them wallow. They are having fun.
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You seem to be enjoying it as much as the next guy you've got just as many or more psots than anyone in it. Like most non-hunting threads I guess. 🤷‍♂️
 
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