exponentialpi
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Sounds about right to me.
MT shoulder season decision...
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Sounds about right to me.
Rat Fink
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I submitted an additional comment to FWP.
"I am opposed to the shoulder season concept and this pilot project. I have submitted comments to this effect but would like to add an additional comment that has evolved from recent new information as of 11/6/15. The vast majority of landowners in districts 391/392 will NOT allow public access for these hunts and do not wish to participate. These are ranches that currently allow some form of public access whether it be Block Management or privately granted access. It has been stated that if the shoulder seasons are approved in these areas that the landowners will stop allowing public access and some will remove themselves from the Block Management program. The Sportsmen are facing the permanent loss of 40 to 50 thousand acres of access. Please do not approve the shoulder season pilot project in districts 391/392, or preferably in any of the districts. It will only lead to a worsened state of landowner, FWP, and sportsmen relations."
It would not hurt to submit more comments of a similar tone and subject.
"I am opposed to the shoulder season concept and this pilot project. I have submitted comments to this effect but would like to add an additional comment that has evolved from recent new information as of 11/6/15. The vast majority of landowners in districts 391/392 will NOT allow public access for these hunts and do not wish to participate. These are ranches that currently allow some form of public access whether it be Block Management or privately granted access. It has been stated that if the shoulder seasons are approved in these areas that the landowners will stop allowing public access and some will remove themselves from the Block Management program. The Sportsmen are facing the permanent loss of 40 to 50 thousand acres of access. Please do not approve the shoulder season pilot project in districts 391/392, or preferably in any of the districts. It will only lead to a worsened state of landowner, FWP, and sportsmen relations."
It would not hurt to submit more comments of a similar tone and subject.
Rat Fink
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Ok here is the latest news on this. My contacts are telling me that after the letter and signatures of landowners not willing to participate in 391/392 were submitted today, FWP has amended the proposal yet again to remove all of 392 and the western portion of 391 from the shoulder season this year. I have no reason to believe this isn't true, and will be anxiously awaiting the results of the commission decision next week. If we succeeded then we saved a few hundred elk.
RobG
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Time for comments is over. I just looked at the guidelines... General license hunt from Nov 30-Feb 15th on private, state, and BLM land. What a CF that will be. Maybe Peta will set up shop down by Townsend and film it all.
Maybe we should have just let Kary's bill pass so we could put the blame squarely on him.
Maybe we should have just let Kary's bill pass so we could put the blame squarely on him.
Rat Fink
Member
It's official. They pulled 392 and the west half of 391.
Take pride in the small victories but keep fighting.
Take pride in the small victories but keep fighting.
Rat Fink
Member
It is a shame that we can blame someone many here regard as someone strongly in favor of sportsmen. The directive was issued straight from Governor Bullock for FWP to create this program.
katqanna
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Good job Rat Fink. Finally was able to connect to the agenda page. The new one shows the changes.
It will be interesting, with the eastern side of 391 retained, that side being heavily outfitted, how that is going to go over with them.
It will be interesting, with the eastern side of 391 retained, that side being heavily outfitted, how that is going to go over with them.
Rat Fink
Member
One of the landowners with a significant chunk of land in the east half of 391 signed on with the other landowners and will not allow access. There will still be a large area for the elk to seek refuge.
RobG
Well-known member
I believe Bullock's directive was an alternative to Kary's bill. I'd love to know the inside story to all this.
Starting in a couple minutes.
http://fwp.mt.gov/doingBusiness/insideFwp/commission/liveMontanaWildAudio.html
http://fwp.mt.gov/doingBusiness/insideFwp/commission/liveMontanaWildAudio.html
Big Foot
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"Most comments received were in favor of shoulder season" ???????
RobG
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Thanks Craig, I would have missed it if not for your reminder. Also thanks everyone for submitting comments. I think the Commission wants to do the right thing but they need the public support to resist the political pressure ramming this down their throat.
Here's a little reporting from a non-reporter:
I expect they overstated the "support" for this. I'd guess the support is very tentative, like mine. I'm not opposed to late hunts, but there needs to be control. Opening it up to anyone with a general tag is insane for a multitude of reasons.
MWF and HSA also offered very tentative support. SFW, of course, was full in.
Brozovich from the G-T ranch seemed to be speaking for the landowners who strongly opposed this in its current form. The reasons were concerns about shootouts and being overrun with hunters unless the number of hunters is controlled (via lottery, management hunts, etc). There have already been 8 "shootouts" this year. One left 8 elk unclaimed and another left 10. One, as Rat Fink said, drove elk into Canyon Ferry and caused several to drown. This is sickening and I can't imagine how much worse this would be if the season extended into February when the elk are really concentrated down low. I'm glad my concerns on that issue were brought up.
Big Foot
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Nice reporting Rob.
Also,
Per the commission -
8 landowners have been recorded as supporting the shoulder season in HD 391.
This is a very small contingent of landowners in a very big area.
Made me sick to hear G-T ranch manager describe the slob "hunting" going on in this area.
I do not know the answer to the problem but I would love to think more funding for more law enforcement/Wardens would help this situation.
Also,
Per the commission -
8 landowners have been recorded as supporting the shoulder season in HD 391.
This is a very small contingent of landowners in a very big area.
Made me sick to hear G-T ranch manager describe the slob "hunting" going on in this area.
I do not know the answer to the problem but I would love to think more funding for more law enforcement/Wardens would help this situation.
I just read the MT FWP press release for the shoulder season for antlerless elk in the region four hunting districts. This will be a separate hunt from the hunt roster, and I wonder how this will effect the hunt roster. I'm currently 53 on the list for 446 and I hope to get a call. How many of you with unfilled elk b tags plan to participate?
RobG
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This spring I talked with a biologist about this scenario and it sounded like they'd throw the hunt roster in the trash so you are on your own to get permission.
I saw BHA post this, which indicates there will be a "hunt coordinator" to help hunters. http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/headlines/nr_4253.html
I saw BHA post this, which indicates there will be a "hunt coordinator" to help hunters. http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/headlines/nr_4253.html
RobG
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Opening a couple few ranches to everyone that didn't fill their elk A tag is a Charlie-Foxtrot. Never would have guessed that 
http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/hunting/nr_2380.html
http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/hunting/nr_2380.html
Opening a couple few ranches to everyone that didn't fill their elk A tag is a Charlie-Foxtrot. Never would have guessed that
http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/hunting/nr_2380.html
Exactly what I thought when I got the email. Who would have thunk,,,,,,,,,,
I liked this part
"“People should not have unrealistic expectations,” Bertellotti said. “This is not a game damage hunt. At times this will be an arduous hunt.”
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The Hedgehog
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No thanks. It's wolf season. The elk that made it 10 weeks, should be rewarded with life this winter.
Kinda like eating potatoe chips. One wolf and you want some more. And it helps an elk or two. Headed out again tomorrow. mtmuley
