Montana ridiculousness- Pref point debacle

[WIbiggame]

That is what I figured.

Buy a PP the year before you want to go, buy a point when you apply the next year, then maybe you get drawn and maybe you don't with 2 PP's.

So when the odds with 1 PP got to 0%, can you just hold at one point indefinitely as long as you apply every year? You don't have to buy a preference point when you apply or during the points only period, right?

Same deal when 2 points goes to 0% odds.

At least there are other app deadlines that fall after the Montana combo results come out I suppose.

You are correct you can hold at a point as long as you apply.

 

[WIbiggame]

I thought you had to sign up to be put on the returned tag list.

Thats the alternate list. Returned tags are just the regular draw when someone draws a general but doesn't draw the LE entry and decides to return the general tag foe a refund at the time of the draw.

 

[Edwin]

I don't recall, can you opt out of being eligible for a returned tag? Would really suck for a guy looking to hunt a permit to get PP burned without even getting a shot in the permit drawing.

Yet another reason the NR permit draw is a complete sham. You might get your name in the pool 1 every 3 years. MIGHT. Or you may never get in the LQ draw ever again. Good luck

 

[NDGuy]

So it is for sure completely worthless to apply with 1 point from now on?

 

[BlakeA]

So it is for sure completely worthless to apply with 1 point from now on?

It will be this year if you are hoping to draw and hunt this year. The only chance (very small) that you will have is getting a returned general combo tag from a higher point holder that was successful but didnt want the general tag. If you do get that, you will lose your PP.

 

[brocksw]

Odds with the 0 point draw won't be that great either I'm guessing. If there's 10k applicants with 2 points I'd guess the 0 point draw will be like 40% odds, maybe less if there's another bump in apps.

 

[NDGuy]

Odds with the 0 point draw won't be that great either I'm guessing. If there's 10k applicants with 2 points I'd guess the 0 point draw will be like 40% odds, maybe less if there's another bump in apps.

That's the thing though 40% is better than spending $100 for a 0% chance with 1 point lol

 

[8andcounting]

That's the thing though 40% is better than spending $100 for a 0% chance with 1 point lol

Not when 40% will still be 40% maybe worse next year - next year with 2 will be better than 40%

 

[NDGuy]

Not when 40% will still be 40% maybe worse next year - next year with 2 will be better than 40%

All in all Montana system sucks

 

[brocksw]

That's the thing though 40% is better than spending $100 for a 0% chance with 1 point lol

And if you don't pull the 0 pt draw this year you could be another 2 years away from drawing depending on what you do next year. If you buy a point and sit out a year, having 2 pts going into the 2023 draw should be very high odds if not guaranteed.

It's a gamble for the 0 pt draw where you wager your ability to accumulate adequate pref points. It's fairly predictable for the pref point draw.

 

[Zim]

Wow the more I read in this thread the more happy I am that I passed on buying in to this fiasco. Me being one of the common poor NR DIYers. Seems they are definitely being targeted for the short end of this Montana stick.

I can just walk away and take a break from applications until April - Colorado, where my decisions are already made. Lol

 

[8andcounting]

All in all Montana system sucks

There’s no denying that !!!

 

[8andcounting]

It will be interesting to see the % draw of 2 pp this year . I really don’t think it’ll be 100%

 

[SAJ-99]

People still have time to get their donation to the GG reelection campaign and guarantee a tag. Just don't go small. The campaign needs to know you are a real player.

 

[NDGuy]

If you apply as a party are your PP avg'd? Do they round up or down let's say you have 2 guys with 2 and one guy with 1 going into the draw.

 

[brocksw]

If you apply as a party are your PP avg'd? Do they round up or down let's say you have 2 guys with 2 and one guy with 1 going into the draw.

Round down for pref points I believe. Up for bonus.

 

[WIbiggame]

If you apply as a party are your PP avg'd? Do they round up or down let's say you have 2 guys with 2 and one guy with 1 going into the draw.

They average them to the thousandths. So in your example you would have 1.667.

 

[WIbiggame]

If you apply as a party are your PP avg'd? Do they round up or down let's say you have 2 guys with 2 and one guy with 1 going into the draw.

One other thing to remember is if you apply as a party and don't get drawn; your party is broken up when they run the returned licenses. So the 2 people with 2pp have a decent chance of pulling a returned tag while the person with 1pp has probably a 0% chance of drawing. And the 2 guys with 2pp will than lose their points.

 

[brocksw]

They average them to the thousandths. So in your example you would have 1.667.

I can't find anything in the regs that says thousandths, but I did find that they consider "fractional" averages.

 

[WIbiggame]

I can't find anything in the regs that says thousandths, but I did find that they consider "fractional" averages.

I had called and asked and they said thousandth but again who knows lol