Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement

I got the call just yesterday, I have no clue how many days I hunted last fall.
I just told em every day. My bows next to my desk and there is occassionally an older forky deer on my small piece of property.

Thats just like the days someone comes from minnesotastan spends here hunting, some think.
 
Did you choose e-tag? My understanding is that hunters can voluntarily report harvest on the app and e-tag is essentially harvest data. Someone can confirm, because it has only been around a few years and I have never used it.

E-tag only records time of when the app was validated for harvesting an animal.

All the questions for FWP surveys could easily be included on the app but they aren’t currently part of the E-tag.
 
Its objectively not a downtrend.

Looks like very high highs and low lows - and now stabilization of harvest between 7-11k - which is higher than the lows of the 60s and 70s substantially.

Really not all bad considering predators, cheat grass, and every other unaccounted for ecological concern.
I remember every week in the 70's, my mother would make my brother and I pick the cheat grass out of our socks before she put them in the wash, I think there might be less cheat grass now than back then. I know everyone wants to blame habitat, but I have never seen the habitat look better where I live. I was out yesterday, not sure I was ever out of sight of some winterfat. Not uncommon to find winterfat in patches of a dozens of plants.
 
I remember every week in the 70's, my mother would make my brother and I pick the cheat grass out of our socks before she put them in the wash, I think there might be less cheat grass now than back then. I know everyone wants to blame habitat, but I have never seen the habitat look better where I live. I was out yesterday, not sure I was ever out of sight of some winterfat. Not uncommon to find winterfat in patches of a dozens of plants.
In either case - the lowest years of the last 15 are significantly higher than the lows of the 70s and 80s. Was my only point.
 
I personally don't believe the harvest surveys to be very accurate. I don’t see how better data collection could hurt anything more info is always better. Mandatory reporting when you are done hunting. The harvest estimates this year in region 7, nonresidents shot 4130 mule deer bucks residents 3046.

Those numbers are upsetting to me and fwp, hunters, landowners and I guess the way Montana likes to do it politicians, should all be sounding the alarms.

Sportsman also should be sounding the alarms on season dates and technology there was a great video in another thread that shows this. Until that happens I will keep looking for a 4 year old buck with incredible genetics because that is the best you can hope for on public land right now.
 
I personally don't believe the harvest surveys to be very accurate. I don’t see how better data collection could hurt anything more info is always better. Mandatory reporting when you are done hunting. The harvest estimates this year in region 7, nonresidents shot 4130 mule deer bucks residents 3046.
Are you suggesting that if there was mandatory reporting, harvest results would show less NR harvest and more R harvest in region 7? And thus, possibly, NR are more compliant/honest than R in voluntary reporting?
 
Are you suggesting that if there was mandatory reporting, harvest results would show less NR harvest and more R harvest in region 7?
I don’t think we know, I could see that going either way, I would not be one bit surprised if there is actually more nonresident harvest.
 
4130 x $760 (NR deer combo) = $3,138,800
3046 x $16 (R deer license) = $48,736
The way Montana manages game wardens could do the job of a complete fwp office on the big game side. If they drive around and still see deer they can tell the commission there are still some alive keep issuing tags. I get what you are saying “funding”. I just am yet to see any benefit from the funding.
 
You can blame FWP all you want, but it manages game the way Montanans want it to manage game- cheap tags, long seasons, and rut hunting. Any political official that suggests otherwise is going to be out of a job.
Understood, managing wildlife through legislation is not working. I understand the constraints that have been put on many good FWP employees. What are we funding? Not a knock on fwp we just are pissing wildlife resources and money away.
 
Understood, managing wildlife through legislation is not working. I understand the constraints that have been put on many good FWP employees. What are we funding? Not a knock on fwp we just are pissing wildlife resources and money away.
Block Management, enforcement of F&G statutes, the allocation/issuance of licenses and permits (even OTC is limited by the number of people who purchase them), research, habitat improvements on FWP/private lands….

None of it is perfect but I’d take now over the continuance of where we were in 1895-1900 through the 30s-40s when state wildlife agencies were first starting to find their feet.

The current funding mechanism has gotten us to a point over the past century-plus where we can argue about management and funding on an online forum, as opposed to having nothing to argue over :)
 
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Understood, managing wildlife through legislation is not working. I understand the constraints that have been put on many good FWP employees. What are we funding? Not a knock on fwp we just are pissing wildlife resources and money away.
Start campaign to make unit 704 LE. Make the Custer Great Again. See where the pushback comes from.
 
Block Management, enforcement of F&G statutes, the allocation/issuance of licenses and permits (even OTC is limited by the number of people who purchase them), research, habitat improvements on FWP/private lands….

None of it is perfect but I’d take now over the continuance of where we were in 1895-1900 through the 30s-40s when state wildlife agencies were first starting to find their feet.

The current funding mechanism has gotten us to a point over the past century-plus where we can argue about management and funding on an online forum, as opposed to having nothing to argue over :)
Agreed. Good post
 
In either case - the lowest years of the last 15 are significantly higher than the lows of the 70s and 80s. Was my only point.
Just using mule deer bucks harvest and not actual population estimates is problematic. Just the increase in NR deer hunters in seven dew to splitting the elk/deer combo license might account for enough harvest in recent years to make them look better that the 70's and 80's.
 
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