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Now why is florida not under water? And why are the ice caps still ice capping? Serious questions. Cause I was told with strong scientific evidence that these things were to happen already.
It is a process. One of the issues with the alarmists spouting non sense.

It is going to take time. The issue is the temps are rising over a seemingly small number.

However, that small number when applied globally can have many adverse effects.

We are trying to not go above the 4 Celicius number in the future, because then we may start to see the effects the alarmists are proclaiming as an immediate hazard.
 

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Ok what caused the great flood of 1927?
A 1000/500/100 whatever year weather event. I get what your driving at, do a google search on the water infrastructure; Florida, dikes on lake Okeechobee, flooding in NYC subway and pumps, levies in Louisiana, the massive civic project of Venice.

You are correct that the layman doesn't see 3 feet of standing water per the 1970s maps on global warming, but this is due in part to the fact that the beaches went under slowly and you didn't notice (shifting baseline syndrome) and also because of massive infrastructure projects across the globe.

https://www.usgs.gov/news/disappearing-beaches-modeling-shoreline-change-southern-california
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/10/venice-floods-photos-climate-change/
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/photo/europe-venicetide/
https://www.6sqft.com/new-york-citys-subway-system-has-a-water-problem-a-13-million-gallon-one/
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/21/610945127/levees-make-mississippi-river-floods-worse-but-we-keep-building-them
https://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-nyc-sea-level-rise-de-blasio.html

Ice caps
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/18964/northwest-passage-open
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/sea-ice-extent-sinks-to-record-lows-at-both-poles
 
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Is it just warming that is bad? What happens when the earth decides to go into the next ice age? Are we going to try and add more Co2 to warm her back up?
I think we should do everything practical to have a cleaner planet. But not sure we have a big impact on climate.
 

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It is a process. One of the issues with the alarmists spouting non sense.

It is going to take time. The issue is the temps are rising over a seemingly small number.

However, that small number when applied globally can have many adverse effects.

We are trying to not go above the 4 Celicius number in the future, because then we may start to see the effects the alarmists are proclaiming as an immediate hazard.
This is where I am. There three things to debate with regards to climate change: 1) How does it happen and is it happening? 2) What the effects? and 3) what can we do about it?

For all intents and purposes, No. 1 is no longer debatable. No. 2 is, but observations over the last 20-30 years indicate that not good things are and will continue to occur. The severity of future consequences is up for debate, but based on observations, I'd lean towards worse than neutral. No. 3 is where the current debate should be, but it's not. I'm a big believer in technology and ingenuity. But it's going to take a whole lot of commitment to a total energy solution (eliminate CO2 where we can as quickly as we can). The solution to climate change is going to be from reducing CO2 emissions, capture, and sequestration.
 

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Is it just warming that is bad? What happens when the earth decides to go into the next ice age? Are we going to try and add more Co2 to warm her back up?
I think we should do everything practical to have a cleaner planet. But not sure we have a big impact on climate.
That's also a big question. There are some benefits to a warmer planet as far as agricultural production goes. The planet has always had cycles, and will continue to, the question is are we pushing it beyond what it can cycle back from reasonably. Many seem to believe they have the answer, but I'm not sure any do. In my mind the reasonable answer is to try to have as little impact as we can, or at least try to mitigate our impact as best we can. Obviously we are always going to produce an effect, there are too many of us not to, but we need to be as responsible as we can for future generation's sake.
 

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A 1000/500/100 whatever year weather event. I get what your driving at, do a google search on the water infrastructure; Florida, dikes on lake Okeechobee, flooding in NYC subway and pumps, levies in Louisiana, the massive civic project of Venice.

You are correct that the layman doesn't see 3 feet of standing water per the 1970s maps on global warming, but this is due in part to the fact that the beaches went under slowly and you didn't notice (shifting baseline syndrome) and also because of massive infrastructure projects across the globe.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/10/venice-floods-photos-climate-change/
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/photo/europe-venicetide/
https://www.6sqft.com/new-york-citys-subway-system-has-a-water-problem-a-13-million-gallon-one/
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/21/610945127/levees-make-mississippi-river-floods-worse-but-we-keep-building-them
https://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-nyc-sea-level-rise-de-blasio.html
But i can site countless "unprecedented" floods and hurricanes from up to 150 years ago or so. What drove or caused the "unprecedented" weather/climate back then. In 1893 when South Carolina hurricane hit was it because of my 2009 silverado or my wife's 2005 4runner? Did man create it in some other way? So many holes in all of this stuff. It's about control, money, greed, votes, and power. That's it.
 

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I don't know why I'm even posting here. I'll give my perspective then move on.


Is climate changing? Undoubtedly. Is some attributed to man? Probably. But do I buy everything the self-proclaimed experts are selling? Nope.

Record heat wave? Strong hurricane? It's blamed on climate change. Cooling events, expanding sea ice, recovering glaciers? That's just weather idiot, means nothing.

The two-faced arguments, scare tactics, and failed predictions lead to a great loss in credibility. I've seen a great deal of that in this thread alone.
 

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Many in here have made my point. They support the evidence that supports their point of view but typically disregard evidence presented by opposing sides.

Climate change, global warming, and environmental concerns have been so severely weaponized such that the interest is not investigating and studying the issue scientifically, but to produce fodder to use against your political opponents. Until that changes, you will see zero progress on the issues. More studies are needed which should be started with a clean slate and done with no agenda or preconceived notions in mind.
 

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Is it just warming that is bad? What happens when the earth decides to go into the next ice age? Are we going to try and add more Co2 to warm her back up?
I think we should do everything practical to have a cleaner planet. But not sure we have a big impact on climate.
You're talking about two different time scales, another ice age may occur but that will likely be in the 20-50,000 maybe even 100,000 year scale, massive flooding in Mississippi is happening now and getting worse. We aren't talking about reversal, just mitigation. Kinda the idea you are sitting on the deck of the titanic and see the iceberg, knowing you are gonna hit it do you try to slow the boat hope for a lessor collusion and hopefully allow more people survive or do you hit the gas and causing more damage and the boat to sink faster.
 

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What better way to unite a yuuuuuuuge mass of people than to tell them we are destroying the planet and we need to save it for your grandkids and great grandkids. BOOM! Hook line and sinker.
 

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Is it just warming that is bad? What happens when the earth decides to go into the next ice age? Are we going to try and add more Co2 to warm her back up?
I think we should do everything practical to have a cleaner planet. But not sure we have a big impact on climate.
Depends on where you are and what you can tolerate. Ecosystems will adapt to shifting climate, as they have for all of history. Whether that is good, bad, or indifferent, that's dependent on your perspective. It's also a function of how rapidly climate change occurs. If it happens over 10,000 years or 50-100 years. Ecosystems in North America, for example, are still adapting to the last ice age and now they'll have to adapt to mcuh more rapid change.
The biggest consequence I see for the future, is going to massive displacement of populations when they, as Sam Kinison put it, move to where the food is. We've seen how happy the US and Europe have responded to immigration. Wars, ethnic cleansing, and global instability are a serious threat and you can be very sure that the DoD is thinking about this.
 

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But i can site countless "unprecedented" floods and hurricanes from up to 150 years ago or so. What drove or caused the "unprecedented" weather/climate back then. In 1893 when South Carolina hurricane hit was it because of my 2009 silverado or my wife's 2005 4runner? Did man create it in some other way? So many holes in all of this stuff. It's about control, money, greed, votes, and power. That's it.
They are separate issues. There are alarmists who like to point to hurricanes and weather events as proof of this or that, but climate change isn't widely regarded to have much impact on things like hurricanes. At least from what I've been able to gather.
 

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But i can site countless "unprecedented" floods and hurricanes from up to 150 years ago or so. What drove or caused the "unprecedented" weather/climate back then. In 1893 when South Carolina hurricane hit was it because of my 2009 silverado or my wife's 2005 4runner? Did man create it in some other way? So many holes in all of this stuff. It's about control, money, greed, votes, and power. That's it.
Totally, the idea is that instead of a 100 or 1000 year flood (those are assessments of likeness not how often they occur) happening sporadically they are happening every single year... it's the frequency of the events not a specific event.
 

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Totally, the idea is that instead of a 100 or 1000 year flood (those are assessments of likeness not how often they occur) happening sporadically they are happening every single year... it's the frequency of the events not a specific event.
But they havent been sporadic they been extremely common for as long as we have been recording them in history?
 

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The climate changes by the hour since the beginning of time. The difference now is that changing has been weaponized for VOTES...to achieve and gain money, power, and greed.
 
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