LO Battle Ahead?

[rjthehunter]

What does? I still dont really get the vibe.

Seems to be largely just bitterness.

Who loses if landowner tags can be sold? Given the stipulations put forth in this thread, it would likely be a great benefit to everyone involved.

If you don't want one, don't buy one. But it's another avenue for hunters to get a tag if they want one. It doesn't take anything away from the guy playing the points game, other than potentially lowering the competition.

 

[Archer86]

Hunting is for a select group.

Anyone who want to hunt can hunt

The best tags are allotted to a select group of highest point holders.

Not in wyoming for residents random draw.
Idaho and new mexico random draw if you choose to buy points that's on you

The wilderness in WY is only available to a select group (outfitted hunters or residents).

Wyoming wilderness is set aside for rich out of state hunters go into the therofare in september all you will see is outfitters hauling in rich out of staters needs changed so some non guided out of staters can get in over there head

The majority of the tags are available to a select group (residents).

the state owns the game we live here its as it should be

So in your mind, the piece to level the playing field is no landowner tags? Nothing about hunting and opportunity is "fair". A guy with a billion dollars can go hunt wherever he wants to. FYI, 99% of those guys aren't DIY hunters. They hire an outfitter. They have someone local provide the know-how and expertise.

no transferable landowner tags. i dont give a crap if a landowner gets a tag and use them for a immediate family memeber or the owner. But the abilty to sell a tag thats good unit wide just because you own some acerage is bull shit you want to sell the tag it should only be good on that property

I can get a tag when I want one. That has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with all you do is whine and bitch about how tags should be easier for you to get at the end of the day I dont draw the elk tag I was after its not the end of the world for me like some of you on here. Seams like the bitterness is the fact you can't live out west and enjoy the benefits of it.

Colorado and new mexico have transferable land owners tags you like them so much focus on them

if you dont like points systems dont buy into them

 

[Forkyfinder]

I was just thinking this about the people strongly against them.

I suspect envy lies beneath the surface on this one for some posters, we see the same thing every time auction tags are discussed.

Interesting.

I feel like envy is what describes your behavior.

 

[Matthew57]

I was just thinking this about the people strongly against them.

I suspect envy lies beneath the surface on this one for some posters, we see the same thing every time auction tags are discussed.

Come on guys, you’re better than this.

 

[Treeshark]

Come on guys, you’re better than this.

I appreciate that, but you may be giving us too much credit

 

[rjthehunter]

Anyone who want to hunt can hunt

Not in wyoming for residents random draw.
Idaho and new mexico random draw if you choose to buy points that's on you

Wyoming wilderness is set aside for rich out of state hunters go into the therofare in september all you will see is outfitters hauling in rich out of staters needs changed so some non guided out of staters can get in over there head

the state owns the game we live here its as it should be

no transferable landowner tags. i dont give a crap if a landowner gets a tag and use them for a immediate family memeber or the owner. But the abilty to sell a tag thats good unit wide just because you own some acerage is bull shit you want to sell the tag it should only be good on that property

It has everything to do with all you do is whine and bitch about how tags should be easier for you to get at the end of the day I dont draw the elk tag I was after its not the end of the world for me like some of you on here. Seams like the bitterness is the fact you can't live out west and enjoy the benefits of it.

Colorado and new mexico have transferable land owners tags you like them so much focus on them

if you dont like points systems dont buy into them

If you don't like transferable landowner tags, don't buy into them. It doesn't mean they don't open up more opportunity for hunters to hunt there.

This doesn't affect hunters playing the points game.

It doesn't affect the number of tags.

It doesn't allow NR to hunt the wilderness. Why do you support that law? It isn't fair to everyone. It only benefits a "select group" (your words on why transferable LO tags are bad).

What's the downside? Are you scared of change?

I have options in place to get a tag every year. It's not that hard. Like I've said, I have gotten a tag every year I wanted or could get one. If for some reason I didn't, I'd go to CO for OTC, or go to NM and buy a landowner tag. Or I'd go up to AK and moose hunt.

It has nothing to do with "not being able to live out west". If I wanted to, I could have a job in a week, and move out there in 2. You act like it takes some type of special ability to move or live out there. I make WAY more money where I'm at, and can afford to take weeks off at a time and hunt where I want to.

What does? I still dont really get the vibe.

Seems to be largely just bitterness.

Bitterness to what?

Everyone here preaches "MORE OPPORTUNITY"

Then the second more tags are up for discussion, and it involves someone other than the state collecting the money, they're against it. It doesn't affect the current number of tags, it would just give NR more opportunity to purchase tags. How is it such a bad idea in your mind?

 

[cgasner1]

Everyone here preaches "MORE OPPORTUNITY"

Then the second more tags are up for discussion,l

it won’t create more opportunity it’ll cut the pie differently for what’s currently available. More than likely from the nr side unless the outfitters can scream loud enough to cut it from the resident side. Once these have a dollar value on them the landowners will be fighting for more tags

 

[rjthehunter]

it won’t create more opportunity it’ll cut the pie differently for what’s currently available. More than likely from the nr side unless the outfitters can scream loud enough to cut it from the resident side. Once these have a dollar value on them the landowners will be fighting for more tags

It certainly will create more opportunity.

Where does it say the pie will be cut differently? It's same allocations, same splits, just transferable LO tags. The ability to purchase tags that were previously not available is without a doubt more opportunity.

We can speculate that the landowners will ask for more tags, but that's a decision for WDFG to make if or when asked for.

 

[antlerradar]

I don't necessarily see transferable landowner tags a good thing for outfitters. The best quality ranches will sell them to the Lee and Tiffany's of the world and outfitters will be left to try to lease up more lower quality property. Think BM. The Lee and Tiffany's of the world. They get to hunt the best of the best and the outfitters take the blame for more land getting leased and the loss of Access and BM. Win Win. Same thing will happen in WY. Instead of landowner tags lets just call them what they are. Lee and Tiffany get to cut in line tags.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I don't necessarily see transferable landowner tags a good thing for outfitters. The best quality ranches will sell them to the Lee and Tiffany's of the world and outfitters will be left to try to lease up more lower quality property. Think BM. The Lee and Tiffany's of the world. They get to hunt the best of the best and the outfitters take the blame for more land getting leased and the loss of Access and BM. Win Win. Same thing will happen in WY. Instead of landowner tags lets just call them what they are. Lee and Tiffany get to cut in line tags.

They still can, and will, here in MT.

Just need to be an employee - online paperwork makes that a small hurdle.

 

[cgasner1]

It certainly will create more opportunity.

Where does it say the pie will be cut differently? It's same allocations, same splits, just transferable LO tags. The ability to purchase tags that were previously not available is without a doubt more opportunity.

We can speculate that the landowners will ask for more tags, but that's a decision for WDFG to make if or when asked for.

We can speculate that a business getting a government handout won’t ask for a bigger government handout. Ya sure let’s get to speculating on that one

 

[antlerradar]

They still can, and will, here in MT.

Just need to be an employee - online paperwork makes that a small hurdle.

That is a loophole in the landowner preference draw that needs to be addressed it is true.
Never had to worry about the employ part of the landowner preference draw, so I don't know for sure. It has been twenty years since I have used landowner preference.

 

[Bighorner]

It certainly will create more opportunity.

Where does it say the pie will be cut differently? It's same allocations, same splits, just transferable LO tags. The ability to purchase tags that were previously not available is without a doubt more opportunity.

We can speculate that the landowners will ask for more tags, but that's a decision for WDFG to make if or when asked for.

I think this has been beat to death earlier in the thread. LO tags come off the top of the general pool for both R and NR. This means 100% of tags could theoretically go to LOs, meaning zero tags for the draw. This has not happened yet, but it could. Each LO tag is one less tag for the general population to draw.

This has been identified as a problem that needs fixed, but at this time, that's how it works.

 

[Archer86]

If you don't like transferable landowner tags, don't buy into them. It doesn't mean they don't open up more opportunity for hunters to hunt there

This doesn't affect hunters playing the points game.

It doesn't affect the number of tags.

It doesn't allow NR to hunt the wilderness. Why do you support that law? It isn't fair to everyone. It only benefits a "select group" (your words on why transferable LO tags are bad).

I never said its i supported it i dont care either way it has the greatest benefit to rich out of state hunters the same that would benefit from land owner tags.

I dont hunt the magical wilderness area to full of NR hunters with guides. That rule will never get changed not because of residents but because of outfitters and the rich Nr hunters

What's the downside? Are you scared of change?

The down side is you keep saying more opportunity its not more its a transfer of tags that every one currently has a opportunity for to just the ones willing to spend the money.

Then the second more tags are up for discussion, and it involves someone other than the state collecting the money, they're against it. It doesn't affect the current number of tags, it would just give NR more opportunity to purchase tags. How is it such a bad idea in your mind?

This shows you lack of understanding of land owner tags they are taken out of the existing pool of tags the dont add anymore new tags to the quota same amount of opportunity

 

[rjthehunter]

This shows you lack of understanding of land owner tags they are taken out of the existing pool of tags the dont add anymore new tags to the quota same amount of opportunity

They're taken out of the pool of tags. Given to landowners, and the landowners give them to their family/friends... If they can sell them, opportunity is increased by the tags becoming available to anyone vs just the friends or family of a LO.

 

[Ben Lamb]

They're taken out of the pool of tags. Given to landowners, and the landowners give them to their family/friends... If they can sell them, opportunity is increased by the tags becoming available to anyone vs just the friends or family of a LO.

This is not how math works.

 

[Treeshark]

Is there a glitch in the main frame here, or did HT mistakenly attribute that quote to @antlerradar?

 

[rjthehunter]

This is not how math works.

It isn't meant to be math. It's increased access and opportunity to more people. I don't have any friends who own land in WY and get LO tags. I certainly don't plan to purchase land in WY just to get tags, but we'll see. Maybe I should look in to it.

 

[Forkyfinder]

They're taken out of the pool of tags. Given to landowners, and the landowners give them to their family/friends... If they can sell them, opportunity is increased by the tags becoming available to anyone vs just the friends or family of a LO.

When has there ever been enough to satisfy the LO lobby?

 

[TheTone]

They're taken out of the pool of tags. Given to landowners, and the landowners give them to their family/friends... If they can sell them, opportunity is increased by the tags becoming available to anyone vs just the friends or family of a LO.

Anyone as long as they can afford them is what you meant to say. Who doesn’t love a way for those with money to always cut to the front of the line for the best hunts while the masses wait their turn