LO Battle Ahead?

[Treeshark]

If you are down for worse draw odds here's your solution.

I wonder what the impact of that would actually be? You do bring up a good point that WGFD would have to figure out how to manage, but I have faith in them to figure that out.

Guessing there aren’t a whole lot of landowners in primo areas currently not participating but would if they could make $, but I have no way to know they for sure.

 

[Archer86]

I’m not sure that is true. You’re aware many landowners are currently receiving transferable landowner tags (to family for no charge), right?

I’m not saying that bridge you are worried about isn’t valid, but it has already been crossed as well.

look at new mexicos eplus system perfect example way to many tags go to nr.

I am aware but they are currently only transferable to immediate family not being sold on the open market to the highest bidder. Once they are how many more land owners jump on board. If they go transferable with the ability to sell to anyone they should only be valid on the private land they are issued to Not unit wide. I would be ok with that

 

[Treeshark]

look at new mexicos eplus system perfect example way to many tags go to nr.

NM tags are available to people living in all 50 states, just like the other states offering landowner tags.

There is no law saying that NM residents have to sell to people they don’t want to- if too many tags go to NRs, that’s the fault of the landowners for selling to them.

 

[Treeshark]

If they go transferable with the ability to sell to anyone they should only be valid on the private land they are issued to Not unit wide. I would be ok with that

Hey, that’s progress at least

 

[Matthew57]

Why not? You’re aware they are currently receiving them and are able to transfer to family right? That bridge has already been crossed.

Yes. And I’ve already stated why not.

 

[cgasner1]

@BuzzH let us know if we can do anything to stomp this out. Have a nice night gents I was out in eastern Montana last night fixing things after a storm it’s bed time

 

[Bighorner]

I wonder what the impact of that would actually be? You do bring up a good point that WGFD would have to figure out how to manage, but I have faith in them to figure that out.

Guessing there aren’t a whole lot of landowners in primo areas currently not participating but would if they could make $, but I have no way to know they for sure.

I think there is a way to know. If you look at the fortification are 10 years ago the draw odds were probably around 10-20 percent. Of that published 10% draw odds, about half went off the top each year. That was for hunters wanting to hunt. Know make that tag worth several thousand dollars. How many business people do you know that would leave that on the table knowing full well they were putting in only to sell the tag to the highest bidder. That includes people who would normally put in for another area in order to hunt there. I would be willing to hunt a general tag for a $10,000 hand out. I probably would t even let the guy my place because there is another poor stuck wanting to pay me another $10,000 to hunt my place on a tag he drew the hard way and now wants a slam dunk.

The draw odds and % going to landowners each year is available if you are willing to jump threw some hopes to get it.

 

[WapitiBob]

On hard to draw areas it is conceivable that all of the tags good go to qualifying resident land owners.

If those tags were monitized everyone able to put in would, regardless if they were a hunter.

You would literally be giving someone a guarenreed winning lotto ticket each year. What do you think that does to an already high demand tag? Do you think Aunt May might start putting in for an extra 8K on a piece of ground she sees every couple year? Landowner tags come out of the same pool as the rest of your R or NR tags. If you are down for worse draw odds here's your solution.

Yep, anybody with a rudimentary understanding of the process knows going to transferable tags will pull more from the initial quotas and public hunter draw odds will drop, some going to zero.
There were zero nr 31-1 Elk licenses available in the draw this year, due to nr LO draw and a slight decrease in the initial quota.

 

[TOGIE]

I do think we can all likely agree that Senator Frenchy sure seems to be an asshat.

In the hopes of finding common ground and all.

 

[BuzzH]

Ok, that was just the point I was looking to get to. It is getting extremely close to just buying a LO tag and not doing the app bullshit anymore - yes no censorship, it's becoming pure bullshit with how rediculous and expensive it's getting.

A few more states with LO tags and they overall actually get cheaper.

Where? In fantasy land doesn't count.

 

[BuzzH]

I’m not sure that is true. You’re aware many landowners are currently receiving transferable landowner tags (to family for no charge), right?

I’m not saying that bridge you are worried about isn’t valid, but it has already been crossed as well.

Easy fix, 100% of landowner tags come from the Non Resident quota. Resident landowners get their tags first. Any Non Resident landowner tags are only valid on the specific NR landowners private lands. No unit wide tags for either if you're transferable, private land only.

I would even go so far as to completely eliminate NR landowner tags.

 

[BuzzH]

@BuzzH let us know if we can do anything to stomp this out. Have a nice night gents I was out in eastern Montana last night fixing things after a storm it’s bed time

It's a budget session so you need 2/3 vote for anything to pass. I would speculate the budget session is going to be a real gem this year.

Our lobbyist is all over this one and I know French is getting major flack.

I emailed the Senate President and I know others did regarding French's lack of decorum, self interest, and blatant conflict of interest.

 

[Hammsolo]

I absolutely am. The state should tax any money made by the transfer of these tags heavily to benefit all residents of the state.

There is a clear pathway to a win-win-win-win scenario here for everyone involved. Dogma, envy and just plain poor understanding of the programs remain the biggest hurdles as this thread has illustrated so well.

Have you done the math? What would be the land owners cut? About 8 million people live in Washington. For the sake of easy math we will say 6 million people are above 18 years old. Again to make the math easy we will say there are 1000 tags out there that people would buy from land owners. We will also say that people would pay $10,000 a pop for these tags. That would bring in $10,000,000 to a variety of landowners. Let’s say we “tax” them at 40%. The government would get $4,000,000. Just for fun, let’s say they decide to split the funds with the tax payer. So, the tax payer gets $2,000,000. After dividing those funds amongst 6 million people, we all land a check for 33 cents.

 

[Treeshark]

Have you done the math?

I haven’t, but I am fairly certain there are not 8 million people in Wyoming.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Threads going as expected.

 

[Treeshark]

Threads going as expected.

I agree, there always seem to be a few opportunities to clear up misunderstandings on how these programs actually work

 

[cgasner1]

To bad you won’t listen to them

 

[Treeshark]

To bad you won’t listen to them

I won’t take that bait, but it was nice to see you make the connection that a DIY public land hunt is entirely possible with a unit-wide landowner tag.

Things like that tend to bridge the gap for a lot of people, or at least it exposes the reason for opposition as being emotional vs logical.

 

[Treeshark]

The draw odds and % going to landowners each year is available if you are willing to jump threw some hopes to get it.

Thanks @Bighorner, I will take a look

 

[cgasner1]

I won’t take that bait, but it was nice to see you make the connection that a DIY public land hunt is entirely possible with a unit-wide landowner tag.

Things like that tend to bridge the gap for a lot of people, or at least it exposes the reason for opposition as being emotional vs logical.

I think you live in a fantasy land and the fact that you haven’t never even purchased one proves that. This isn’t gonna be like scrolling thru Amazon and picking up an elk tag. If it managed to get put into effect 95% of these tags will be sold to outfitters and they will make money on them. The landowners with elk problems already won’t let people hunt. Wyoming fish and game was debating on killing them from a helicopter so ya let’s add more value to cost of a set of elk antlers