Tuffbucker
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Buzzy,
First off, you seem like too intelligent of a person to really believe all the hype you are spewing.....
If you REALLY think that the FIRST ammendment was put in place to assure that GOD or religion should never be mentioned in any public or government entity, then you are sorely mistaken. Any person with any understanding of the first ammendment should know that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means that at no time will the government establish a NATIONAL religion. Our founding fathers had come from a land where a specific religion was forced upon them by the governing branch at that time.....namely the throne of England, forcing its citizens to belong to the church of England....or fear being killed for blasphemy! The "seperation of church and state" refers to the fact that government should not force a single/national religion upon its people. Not that religion should never be mentioned when a matter of government be at hand.As one of many efforts to limit the power of the federal government, the Constitution left authority over religious matters to the States.
Next, lets finish the line you were so quick to quote "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion "........or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." By removing any and all reference to God or a god in schools and government settings, would that not be in direct violation of the first ammendment, by "PROHIBITING" my right to exercise my beliefs freely??
Too many people do not understand the concept of Seperation of Church and State. Do you not see God mentioned in the Bill of Rights, The Declaration of INdependence, and the individual COnsitutions of all 50 States......are you trying to tell me that our Founding Fathers never meant for religion to be a part of the lives of the citizens of this country. I think not.....is fair to say that everyone has Freedom of Speech, unless that speech happens to mention God or some kind of established religion......then it becomes unconstitutional??
Here are a few examples of what our Founding Fathers "true" opinion on religion as it is referred to in governing this country:
"... True religion affords to government its surest support." George Washington.
"... The happiness of a people and the good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend upon piety, religion, and morality...." United States Supreme Court, 1892.
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." George Washington.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams.
"The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country." President Calvin Coolidge.
"The basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a ... government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State!" President Harry S Truman.
"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals: therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God." Gouverneur Morris.
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison.
The problem is, People have read too much into the phrase "separation of church and state", which is to be a separation of civil authority from ecclesiastical authority, not moral values. Congress has passed laws that it is illegal to murder and steal, which is the legislation of morality. These standards of morality are found in the Bible. Should we remove them from law because the church should be separated from the state?
Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation. The founding fathers took ideas from the Bible and incorporated them into our government. If it was their intention to separate the state and church they would never have taken principles from the Bible and put them into our government. An example of an idea taken from the Bible and then incorporated into our government is found in Isaiah 33:22 which says, "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king..." The founding fathers took this scripture and made three major branches in our government: judicial, legislative, and executive.
I could go on and on all day, but unfortunately nothing I say will have any affect your opinion, and nothing you say will probably affect mine. Just dont go spouting off your interpretation of our COnsititutional Ammendments, without expecting mine in return.
God Bless You!!
SCOTT
First off, you seem like too intelligent of a person to really believe all the hype you are spewing.....
If you REALLY think that the FIRST ammendment was put in place to assure that GOD or religion should never be mentioned in any public or government entity, then you are sorely mistaken. Any person with any understanding of the first ammendment should know that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means that at no time will the government establish a NATIONAL religion. Our founding fathers had come from a land where a specific religion was forced upon them by the governing branch at that time.....namely the throne of England, forcing its citizens to belong to the church of England....or fear being killed for blasphemy! The "seperation of church and state" refers to the fact that government should not force a single/national religion upon its people. Not that religion should never be mentioned when a matter of government be at hand.As one of many efforts to limit the power of the federal government, the Constitution left authority over religious matters to the States.
Next, lets finish the line you were so quick to quote "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion "........or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." By removing any and all reference to God or a god in schools and government settings, would that not be in direct violation of the first ammendment, by "PROHIBITING" my right to exercise my beliefs freely??
Too many people do not understand the concept of Seperation of Church and State. Do you not see God mentioned in the Bill of Rights, The Declaration of INdependence, and the individual COnsitutions of all 50 States......are you trying to tell me that our Founding Fathers never meant for religion to be a part of the lives of the citizens of this country. I think not.....is fair to say that everyone has Freedom of Speech, unless that speech happens to mention God or some kind of established religion......then it becomes unconstitutional??
Here are a few examples of what our Founding Fathers "true" opinion on religion as it is referred to in governing this country:
"... True religion affords to government its surest support." George Washington.
"... The happiness of a people and the good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend upon piety, religion, and morality...." United States Supreme Court, 1892.
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." George Washington.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams.
"The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country." President Calvin Coolidge.
"The basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don't think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don't have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a ... government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State!" President Harry S Truman.
"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals: therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God." Gouverneur Morris.
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions ... upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison.
The problem is, People have read too much into the phrase "separation of church and state", which is to be a separation of civil authority from ecclesiastical authority, not moral values. Congress has passed laws that it is illegal to murder and steal, which is the legislation of morality. These standards of morality are found in the Bible. Should we remove them from law because the church should be separated from the state?
Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation. The founding fathers took ideas from the Bible and incorporated them into our government. If it was their intention to separate the state and church they would never have taken principles from the Bible and put them into our government. An example of an idea taken from the Bible and then incorporated into our government is found in Isaiah 33:22 which says, "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king..." The founding fathers took this scripture and made three major branches in our government: judicial, legislative, and executive.
I could go on and on all day, but unfortunately nothing I say will have any affect your opinion, and nothing you say will probably affect mine. Just dont go spouting off your interpretation of our COnsititutional Ammendments, without expecting mine in return.
God Bless You!!
SCOTT
