“I don’t want you hunting this outfit.”

[El Jason]

He knows this, and now leaves multiple aggressive Bull Angus on these parcels to discourage access. We'll after the legal mandate of them being off public.

I bet when someone shoots one in self defense things will change.

 

[RidgeRunner76]

I bet when someone shoots one in self defense things will change.

Almost happened one morning as I had my daughters with me. Luckily backed out and nailed a 5x5 bull about an hour later.

 

[Bullshot]

I bet when someone shoots one in self defense things will change.

Once again like whack-a-mole with the flagrant abuses of our public lands. I think, as a group, we need advocacy organizations (so support one or more) to take up these fights one by one. Leaving cattle on grazing leases after deadlines are up should be a pretty open and shut civil case, easy to document. It is their obligation and responsibility to get them off, least they can do for the privilege of grazing below cost.

 

[El Jason]

Leaving cattle on grazing leases after deadlines are up should be a pretty open and shut civil case, easy to document.

Cliven Bundy enters the chat…

 

[mtmuley]

Ran in to a couple guys early this morning that were convinced there was an easement at a corner. I know the area and the laws. I said go ahead. Cameras everywhere you will have ranch company. mtmuley

 

[birdseye]

Ran in to a couple guys early this morning that were convinced there was an easement at a corner. I know the area and the laws. I said go ahead. Cameras everywhere you will have ranch company. mtmuley

since you come off as an on the spot badass, why didn't you just handle the situation right then and there vs. "cameras everywhere - ranch thugs coming soon" ???

 

[mtmuley]

since you come off as an on the spot badass, why didn't you just handle the situation right then and there vs. "cameras everywhere - ranch thugs coming soon" ???

Have a nice evening. mtmuley

 

[Bullshot]

Cliven Bundy enters the chat…

I get the rugged individualism and all but I am continually surprised that western states law enforcement and/or the fed govt do seem so much weaker on some issues there than they do east of the Mississippi. Wide open spaces must dilute the ability to project power, and some lone individuals seem so much better at confounding the system whether its grazing, posting public, blocking roads, etc. The lawless west is definitely still kickin with these wannabe sovereign citizens. Just surprised the overwhelming majority of the normal western public land users accept it.

-Those same sovereigns wouldn't hesitate to use the law or their lawyers against poor John Q public though if you dare cross their airspace!

 

[El Jason]

If you think the BLM was milk toast on this issue under Obama (and they were), there is a drastically lower chance they would even look twice at an issue such as this under the current administration.

 

[BuzzH]

I get the rugged individualism and all but I am continually surprised that western states law enforcement and/or the fed govt do seem so much weaker on some issues there than they do east of the Mississippi. Wide open spaces must dilute the ability to project power, and some lone individuals seem so much better at confounding the system whether its grazing, posting public, blocking roads, etc. The lawless west is definitely still kickin with these wannabe sovereign citizens. Just surprised the overwhelming majority of the normal western public land users accept it.

-Those same sovereigns wouldn't hesitate to use the law or their lawyers against poor John Q public though if you dare cross their airspace!

Not everyone puts up with their bullshit.

 

[Bullshot]

Not everyone puts up with their bullshit.

Understood. I painted with too broad a brush there and know its a hard fight that some take on to the benefit of all. But I guess it would be really entertaining though to see a bit more grass roots turnout, some organized hikes through some these "outfits." It's so easy to get like 100 birdwatchers to chase some vagrant lost sparrow on a random Tuesday on either US coast. It would be cool to organize a similar enthusiasm for some western corner crossing block parties or camping get-togethers until the over entitled few settle down about what amounts to a couple hunters now and then. Any ranch, or ranch staff that put their "outfit" on the map, should expect some of these outings.

 

[nrpate05]

I wonder if this event happens pre corner crossing case? Seems like landowners are on edge. I certainly support hunter harassment charges.

 

[RidgeRunner76]

I wonder if this event happens pre corner crossing case? Seems like landowners are on edge. I certainly support hunter harassment charges.

The Corner Crossing is alot more niche. Public land, Easements and legit access has been a point of contention far longer.

CO and State Trust lands are a huge one. Some are open, many are not. My taxidermist watches multiple people every year either poach or trespass on a section of state trust not open.

We are responsible for knowing where we are, not the landowner. If you're going push the envelope, you better be right here. Personally, and its been beat to death repeatedly, the cost to accurately survey Public Lands versus Private should be a law/mandate. Kill the grey areas once and for all.

Ran in to a couple guys early this morning that were convinced there was an easement at a corner. I know the area and the laws. I said go ahead. Cameras everywhere you will have ranch company. mtmuley

Birdseye,

The onus is on us to know where we are legally. You as well.

Forcing a legit legal issue is one thing. Blatantly trespassing because you didn't do your homework is another.

Its onerous and time consuming. I get that. Don't think Mtmuley meant anything nefarious.

Taking folks off to the train station makes great TV but hardly real life.

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

I would have preferred to watch a video of that crusty old douchbag getting karate chopped in the throat then rolled around in some cactus.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

It's so easy to get like 100 birdwatchers to chase some vagrant lost sparrow on a random Tuesday on either US coast.

How do we get them to chase said vagrant lost sparrow across a corner?!

 

[Bullshot]

How do we get them to chase said vagrant lost sparrow across a corner?!

Post something really rare on E-Bird, give coordinates, and grab a lawn chair and a beer, sit back and wait cause its gonna get real out there in the field!

 

[Packout1]

This is pretty fascinating for another reason too: these are not your typical hunters.

There's no judgment here, but they had the time, equipment, and money to go in as a group on a helicopter to hunt this property. I'm not using this in a pejorative way, but that makes them pretty elite. A common-man hunter probably would never find themself in this position, because they can't get there either.

In a sense, both these hunters and the landowner have "exclusive" access to this public land. One for owning the property around it, the other for having the resources to get to it.

I don't know how I feel about that, really. Just has me thinking.

Normal folk here in AK fly in for hunts all the time. I was wondering how much that flight cost when I first saw the video… I’m going to guess 500-700 per hunter.

Considering the cost of tags nowadays, or the cost of a four wheeler, or the cost of a hotel for a week, etc, fly ins are actually pretty reasonable from what I’ve found.

I’d say it’s their creativity that makes them “elite”, not the money that they spent. Almost everyone who hunts in the west these days is spending thousands on something, either for access, or comfort.

 

[Borny1]

I would love to know how many people are convicted of hunter harassment each year. My bet it's single digits if not zero. I run into it probably about every other year. Anybody know how to find that out? Anyone know of someone who has even been charged?