"Greenwashing at it's best"

[rwc101]

Have some reusable grocery bags that are 6+ years old. Like the folding rigid ones.

Glass/aluminum instead of plastic just makes sense for bottles and some food containers.

 

[Gellar]

What is NPR? mtmuley

There’s a big thread on it. Edit* I was thinking the apr.

You don't use your NPR totes?

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you have to remember the totes. We have enough soft sided Trader Joe’s coolers to supply a small army

 

[Potsie]

The biggest greenwashing of all is that we as consumer's can make a difference. We can't. There is nothing John Q. Public can do. My plastic grocery isn't a thing compared to the energy consumed by our commercial buildings - and that power comes from some where.

It's industry, not us.

 

[Stocker]

There’s a big thread on it.

you have to remember the totes. We have enough soft sided Trader Joe’s coolers to supply a small army

Haul em to the landfill to make room for more.

 

[mtmuley]

There’s a big thread on it.

Guy at work tries to listen to it. He's outnumbered. mtmuley

 

[Deleted member 28227]

There’s a big thread on it.

you have to remember the totes.

Honestly we got most of ours in europe when I was visiting my parents. Grocery stores there didn't even have bags, literally the only options at check out are to bring your own, buy a reusable one or carry your chit.

But they're massive and sturdy... I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that refuses to do two loads from the car to the house, waaay easier with those bags.

Ikea has great bags.

 

[Irrelevant]

This is not just about plastics, though they are a huge component.

Bottled water is definitely one.

And despite what @wllm does, I have acquired soo many reusable bags as part of random events, like gift bags, or xmas gifts, that I could never use them all, they're almost all made of plastic, and I still never remember to take them into the store, so I end up either getting the heavy plastic ones (single use are banned in WA) or carrying an armload and shit across the parking lot inevitably dropping the wine, or melon, or the entire bag of apples...

I'm not insinuating we haven't achieved great things through environment regulation. This thread was merely to help point out all of the aspects of life where we're not making any progress and in fact, are probably going backwards.

 

[Gellar]

Guy at work tries to listen to it. He's outnumbered. mtmuley

I was having a brain fart and thinking the American prairie reserve was the national prairie reserve.

I used to listen to Wisconsin public radio every morning because the host had a segment from 6-7 am that would often be about interesting things including hunting, CWD, wolves, outdoors gardening, etc. and she’d usually have have 2 guests to argue both sides of things.

 

[longbow51]

So, guy installed a TV for us today; said business is booming with 10,000 square foot houses going up like dandelions in spring. And many are second or third homes. Flying here on jets.

So yeah, go ahead and recycle plastic bags.

 

[rwc101]

Radio that interviews both sides isn't for everyone.

*dips out of thread*

 

[Deleted member 28227]

I was having a brain fart and thinking the American prairie reserve was the national prairie reserve.

I used to listen to Wisconsin public radio every morning because the host had a segment from 6-7 am that would often be about interesting things including hunting, CWD, wolves, outdoors gardening, etc. and she’d usually have have 2 guests to argue both sides of things.

You may have come for CWD and Wolves... be we all know you stayed for Keillor

 

[Gellar]

Honestly we got most of ours in europe when I was visiting my parents. Grocery stores there didn't even have bags, literally the only options at check out are to bring your own, buy a reusable one or carry your chit.

But they're massive and sturdy... I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that refuses to do two loads from the car to the house, waaay easier with those bags.

Ikea has great bags.

They charged us for plastic bags in Co when we got some groceries before hunting.

Honestly, my wife only does the online grocery order and they are as wasteful as wasteful can be when it comes to plastic bags. Kind of makes me sick.

 

[mtmuley]

Radio that interviews both sides isn't for everyone.

*dips out of thread*

Yeah, probly not. mtmuley

 

[Gellar]

You may have come for CWD and Wolves... be we all know you stayed for Keillor

I like the classical music they play at night, and they had polka dance party on Friday night

 

[brocksw]

This is not just about plastics, though they are a huge component.

Bottled water is definitely one.

And despite what @wllm does, I have acquired soo many reusable bags as part of random events, like gift bags, or xmas gifts, that I could never use them all, they're almost all made of plastic, and I still never remember to take them into the store, so I end up either getting the heavy plastic ones (single use are banned in WA) or carrying an armload and shit across the parking lot inevitably dropping the wine, or melon, or the entire bag of apples...

I'm not insinuating we haven't achieved great things through environment regulation. This thread was merely to help point out all of the aspects of life where we're not making any progress and in fact, are probably going backwards.

I see what you mean. My comment was more narrowly focused on the specific article you shared. But yes, your thread topic is much more broad.

I think I have a concern that discussions like this tend to bring out the black and white thinking (I do it too). When logically, it's very unlikely that "All" green movements are moving us backwards in terms of the conservation of earth.

But my apologies for the narrow scope of my comment.

 

[mtmuley]

I like the classical music they play at night, and they had polka dance party on Friday night

Gotta admit, I've heard I think it's called free-form music or something. A couple times it was pretty good. mtmuley

 

[LuketheDog]

Recycling plastic is practically impossible — and the problem is getting worse

A new report from Greenpeace found that people may be putting plastic into recycling bins — but almost none of it is actually being recycled. Meanwhile, plastic production is ramping up.

www.npr.org

To think that "recycling" is nothing more than a feel good scheme to keep us addicted to plastics and feel good about that addiction.

I firmly believe we all want to do good to the environment, we often disagree what that means or the costs we're willing to pay for it, but I can't think of a bigger scam than recycling.

What else is a good example of "greenwashing"?

EV cars?
Reusable grocery bags?

Sadly this is not new news, just new to NPR and the vast majority of the population...

 

[Irrelevant]

Sadly this is not new news, just new to NPR and the vast majority of the population...

It's not new to NPR either, just the latest rendition.

Plastic Wars: Industry Spent Millions Selling Recycling — To Sell More Plastic

An investigation from NPR and the PBS show Frontline found oil and gas companies had serious doubts that plastic recycling was viable, but promoted it to keep profits high and plastic bans at bay.

www.npr.org

How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

An NPR and PBS Frontline investigation reveals how the oil and gas industry used the promise of recycling to sell more plastic, even when they knew it would never work on a large scale.

www.npr.org

California is investigating Big Oil for allegedly misleading the public on recycling

California's attorney general is investigating oil and gas companies for allegedly deceiving the public that most plastic can be recycled, citing NPR and PBS Frontline's investigation of the industry.

www.npr.org

Big Oil Evaded Regulation And Plastic Pellets Kept Spilling

Oil and gas companies make enough pellets each year to fill a stadium several times over. The oil industry has long known it has a pellet pollution problem, but that's not what it told the public.

www.npr.org

As several have pointed out. We've been fed Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle.

It's hard to reduce, because once you reduce, how do you do anything else?
Reuse, is the easiest, and I feel, most common, but you want to do something productive when it's at the end of it's life...
Recycle? Apparently just throw it away and feel bad.

 

[jryoung]

You don't use your NPR totes?

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Nina Totten-bag?

 

[Beignet]

Ikea has great bags.

The giant Ikea bags are a schlepper’s dream. I use them for loading crap on hunting trips more than plastics bins as you can stuff them around.

Waiting for Ikea to make em in hunter orange someday.