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We bypassed overdrive and went straight to warp speed on the scale of stupidity in this thread.
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Good point JLS. Deleted. He ain't worth it.
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Had no idea that dad owns a gaming empire and uncles own the UFC (amongst other things) prior to looking it up after your post. Wow.
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I fall in line with this. I do not have a litmus test on someone's involvement with Landowner tags nor hunting private nor using guides. I just play the hand am dealt on things and save my venom for lashing out at things which are evil rather than merely unfair.
A lot of things about modern hunting walk a line between "technology is great and will result in fewer lost, injured animals" and jackwads that just add another 100 yards to how far they think they can ethically shoot.
F&G raising prices to apply/buy tag may not reduce overall opportunity to hunt but the attitude of WY to jack up costs sure as heck changes who can participate in the process to access a tag to have the opportunity to draw a bull, buck, ram or billy tag. Joe Six-Pack may not have a right to hunt as a non-resident but increased costs to hunt as a non-resident changes the applicant pool towards a wealthier subset of hunters which are more likely to push or support having dedicated Outfitter tags, Landowner tags and Higher Priced sub-Pool of tags. they also push back less when costs are pushed up and, as a famous person said about actions that eliminate subgroups of people, "and then they came for me."
I was wondering about this point as well, specifically for Colorado- no “brokering” of tags allowed, but I know multiple services advertise it openly, including GoHunt (example of a tag-only offering below).
My guess is that they are serving as the official land manager or something, because the tags can only be transferred once. Not sure how that works but it seems a bit of a grey area that I wish was more clear.
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When the decision to become a patron of a business is present to be scrutinized, many aspects are legal - if making a $ or thousands, the "Devil" is in the details. Are other companies present who do not cross that line? Meh, to each his/her own though listening to some complain about and participate in legislative affairs while giving a pass to other "legal" $ is oxymoronic, IMO. YMMV though.
I was learning what is available on the internet about "Landowner Tags" and the controversy some State enhance. Various articles along with a couple Montana Bills that were hotly contested by Hunt Talk members! Interesting how opinions shape through a thread whereas a simple search, with some time reading, shows those opinions shared by some of the larger fish within Hunt Talk.
We give GoHunt a pass because it's associated with Fresh Tracks or we give them a pass because - hey, it's legal therefore no problem if they make a buck. The more I read and the simple Google for Landowner Tags FOR SALE - well, see for yourself - who makes sure they're on the first page of Google searches? Not hard to take a guess.
I think the Opening Poster presents an interesting concern that, had it been from one of our Big Fish, Hunt Talk members (Who's past comments - available to quote), I believe may have garnered a different reflection of GoHunt's intent and their objective to promote the sale of landowner tags.
Here's an article from Meateater on this very topic that helps clarify aspects related to this program through various States:
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Ethics of Paying However, other types of landowner tags are surrounded by controversy. States such as Utah, Colorado and New Mexico allow landowners to sell transferrable tag vouchers to any hunter for whatever price they are willing to pay. There are even services that advertise and sell landowner tags online.
Some of these landowner tags allow hunting in high demand, limited-entry areas. Tags for trophy deer, elk or pronghorn in these units could take a lifetime to draw through the regular application process. These tags regularly sell for prices well into the tens of thousands of dollars. Even in limited-draw units with less demand, vouchers are commonly sold for grossly inflated prices compared to regular state-issued licenses.
It begs the question of whether some private landowners should be able to profit off of a publicly owned resource that the state pays to manage and maintain. This seems to subvert the American notions of wildlife as a public trust resource, democratic hunting opportunity and fair and equitable tag distribution. There is a case to be made that the private sale of tags to the highest bidder falls more in line with the European tradition of moneyed aristocracy controlling all hunting opportunity.
A second controversy centers around exactly where a hunter holding a landowner tag can legally hunt. Some landowner tags are valid only on the landowner’s private property. In New Mexico, they’re called “ranch tags.”
The more hotly debated type of landowner vouchers are “unit-wide tags.” A hunter who has purchased one of these tags can hunt not only on the landowner’s property, but on all public lands within the unit where the property lies. Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada all issue unit-wide landowner tags. In Nevada, where the best deer, elk and pronghorn tags are extremely difficult to obtain through the regular draw, there’s no limit to the number of landowner tags a hunter can purchase in a single hunting season
We give GoHunt a pass because it's associated with Fresh Tracks or we give them a pass because - hey, it's legal therefore no problem if they make a buck. The more I read and the simple Google for Landowner Tags FOR SALE - well, see for yourself - who makes sure they're on the first page of Google searches? Not hard to take a guess.
I think the Opening Poster presents an interesting concern that, had it been from one of our Big Fish, Hunt Talk members (Who's past comments - available to quote), I believe may have garnered a different reflection of GoHunt's intent and their objective to promote the sale of landowner tags.
Here's an article from Meateater on this very topic that helps clarify aspects related to this program through various States:
Ask MeatEater: Are Landowner Tags Unfair?
This is the time of year when hunters begin the process of securing licenses for everything from whitetails to pronghorn to elk. Many hunters have been applying for well over a decade through the various license draw systems used by different states, hoping to one day pocket a certain highly...
Ethics of Paying However, other types of landowner tags are surrounded by controversy. States such as Utah, Colorado and New Mexico allow landowners to sell transferrable tag vouchers to any hunter for whatever price they are willing to pay. There are even services that advertise and sell landowner tags online.
Some of these landowner tags allow hunting in high demand, limited-entry areas. Tags for trophy deer, elk or pronghorn in these units could take a lifetime to draw through the regular application process. These tags regularly sell for prices well into the tens of thousands of dollars. Even in limited-draw units with less demand, vouchers are commonly sold for grossly inflated prices compared to regular state-issued licenses.
It begs the question of whether some private landowners should be able to profit off of a publicly owned resource that the state pays to manage and maintain. This seems to subvert the American notions of wildlife as a public trust resource, democratic hunting opportunity and fair and equitable tag distribution. There is a case to be made that the private sale of tags to the highest bidder falls more in line with the European tradition of moneyed aristocracy controlling all hunting opportunity.
A second controversy centers around exactly where a hunter holding a landowner tag can legally hunt. Some landowner tags are valid only on the landowner’s private property. In New Mexico, they’re called “ranch tags.”
The more hotly debated type of landowner vouchers are “unit-wide tags.” A hunter who has purchased one of these tags can hunt not only on the landowner’s property, but on all public lands within the unit where the property lies. Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada all issue unit-wide landowner tags. In Nevada, where the best deer, elk and pronghorn tags are extremely difficult to obtain through the regular draw, there’s no limit to the number of landowner tags a hunter can purchase in a single hunting season
That's the problem I have with the land owner tags here in Ut.
Some of the units have 300 to 400 cow tags and out of those only 50 are for the general public draws. It in my mind has turned hunting into a money machine for the idiots to brag about their 390"+ elk antlers, But have never actually had to hunt. Because they just pay to shoot. I'm Not talking about the average hunter that has been putting in for a limited hunt for 12 plus years.
Some of the units have 300 to 400 cow tags and out of those only 50 are for the general public draws. It in my mind has turned hunting into a money machine for the idiots to brag about their 390"+ elk antlers, But have never actually had to hunt. Because they just pay to shoot. I'm Not talking about the average hunter that has been putting in for a limited hunt for 12 plus years.
If it was about landowner tags and New Mexico there is a good chance you got it right that it was me. I hate landowner permits. At least on a wholesale basis and transferable like we have in New Mexico. Please see the report at takebackyourelk.com that I helped the New Mexico Wildlife Federation and NM BHA put together. In this report we tabulate the magnitude of private landowner elk tags in New Mexico. In short, during 2021 there were 13,800 private landowner tags out of 36,160 total elk tags. Add to that the 1,500 elk tags privatized by the outfitter draw set aside. I don’t know about you, but when over 1/3 of elk hunting in any state is set aside for wealthy hunters, I think it’s a problem. And since I’m a New Mexican, I take it personally and will do whatever I can to change it.
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