FWP lies about Corner Crossing

[huntin24/7]

I think folks are imagining that landlocked public parcels are providing more wildlife sanctuary than they actually are.

I don’t see how they wouldn’t be providing sanctuary much like private. Like i said, I fully support full legalization of it, but I can’t help but be concerned under our current management philosophy.

 

[sclancy27]

I hope people start hammering the shit out of corner crossing stuff. Then I can go back to some of my old haunts and hunt in peace.

 

[Treeshark]

I hope people start hammering the shit out of corner crossing stuff. Then I can go back to some of my old haunts and hunt in peace.

If it becomes legal (and state-acknowledged) in Montana, I wonder how long it will take FWP to realize they can give out more tags?

 

[brendog84cj8]

I can see both sides of this issue. First, public having access to public, pretty straight forward. On the other side I can see where private property owners don't want it because folks won't do the right thing and stay on public. There are instances of the latter happening all the time where people "corner cross" and don't stay on public. More so when the corner is in a nightmare spot to cross and when there are no fences at all, defining every single boundary/corner. Folks end up taking a lot of liberty, and I can see where the conflicts can happen. Tough issue and specifically here in Montana a very contentious one.

 

[El Jason]

Legal issues such as access are black and white. What people may or may not do as a result of access is irrelevant.

 

[Forkyfinder]

On the other side I can see where private property owners don't want it because folks won't do the right thing and stay on public.

Wonder what the prosecutor/police would say if i called and said that someone had put their foot over my property?

I imagine theyd laugh and hang up, just like they should in this case too.

The reason theres an uproar - folks assumed based on history that checkerboarded public land was exclusive access. Maybe they even paid for it under that premise.

 

[Elky Welky]

Wonder what the prosecutor/police would say if i called and said that someone had put their foot over my property?

Entirely depends on the prosecutor. County Attorneys in MT are elected politicians. If the landowner makes enough noise about it, and happens to be an influential voting constituent, then the CA might file charges regardless.

Since we're using you as an example though, you are probably right. They would just laugh at you and do nothing.

 

[Forkyfinder]

If it becomes legal (and state-acknowledged) in Montana, I wonder how long it will take FWP to realize they can give out more tags?

Lotta of laugh reacts....Regulating cow elk like deer was pushed by a legislator, apparently because we have an "abundance of elk." Which is interesting - because western mt (where this legislator is from) shows anything but that. In fact im not sure its terribly far from where @BuzzH thinks they are dramatically over hunted. Id be curious to know how long unlimited b tags existed and where they came from.

Viewpoint: Elk slaughter bill a step to end public hunting

Nick Gevock writes, We will either maintain our decades-long tradition in which everyone has equal opportunity to enjoy our public wildlife, or we hand control to a handful of wealthy landowners and outfitters to pick who gets to hunt.

missoulacurrent.com

 

[MNElkNut]

What if you swing your arms over a private city lot as you turn the corner, wouldn't that be trespassing and NOT covered by the UIA? I am quite confident Eschelman has never done that!

 

[R.K.]

Looks like Ryan Busse is weighing in on this.

Being Facebook, the comments leave something to be desired- normally truth, intelligence, and spelling.

https://m.facebook.com/reel/1558183898932697/?referral_source=native_in_feed_unit

 

[cgasner1]

Wonder if anyone got ticketed this year in Montana?

 

[Elky Welky]

Big news, our legislature is going to tackle it this session. Let's show up.

Sen. Ellie Boldman & Rep. Josh Seckinger: We’re corner crossing because public land must stay accessible

Nearly 900,000 acres of public lands in Montana sit effectively locked away because of outdated interpretations and legal uncertainty.

www.bozemandailychronicle.com

 

[406dn]

Big news, our legislature is going to tackle it this session. Let's show up.

Sen. Ellie Boldman & Rep. Josh Seckinger: We’re corner crossing because public land must stay accessible

Nearly 900,000 acres of public lands in Montana sit effectively locked away because of outdated interpretations and legal uncertainty.

www.bozemandailychronicle.com

hopefully they can find a, or a few GOP legislators to join them in sponsoring the bill. It will take support from both sides to get it done.

 

[Rack Daniels]

Big news, our legislature is going to tackle it this session. Let's show up.

Sen. Ellie Boldman & Rep. Josh Seckinger: We’re corner crossing because public land must stay accessible

Nearly 900,000 acres of public lands in Montana sit effectively locked away because of outdated interpretations and legal uncertainty.

www.bozemandailychronicle.com

What date? Bus load after bus load back in what? 2013? Let’s do it again.

 

[Big Fin]

What date? Bus load after bus load back in what? 2013? Let’s do it again.

That was a cluster.

Krayton Kerns (R-Billings) was the co-sponsor. He told all of us hunting groups we had better show up. We did, in big numbers. Then in committee, he voted against his own bill, which was the deciding vote to make sure it did not leave the committe.

I had never heard of someone voting against their own bill. And I've never heard of it since then. The Republican leadership took him to the woodshed for even co-sponsoring the bill, forcing him to take the humiliating route of voting against his own bill in front of everyone.

 

[Rack Daniels]

That was a cluster.

Krayton Kerns (R-Billings) was the co-sponsor. He told all of us hunting groups we had better show up. We did, in big numbers. Then in committee, he voted against his own bill, which was the deciding vote to make sure it did not leave the committe.

I had never heard of someone voting against their own bill. And I've never heard of it since then. The Republican leadership took him to the woodshed for even co-sponsoring the bill, forcing him to take the humiliating route of voting against his own bill in front of everyone.

I’m at a loss for words!? Talk about political corruption/coercion going on??
Do things look better for us this time around?

 

[Big Fin]

I’m at a loss for words!? Talk about political corruption/coercion going on??
Do things look better for us this time around?

I don't think it will pass. I say that based on the history of the 2013 bill and the composition of both chambers and the Governor's office. That side is on record of opposing corner crossing.

This bill will force the hands of legislators to say where they stand. Which is a good thing.

Many will hide behind the "property rights" shield, even though the 10th Circuit has ruled such is not a takings/infringement of property rights in the six states of Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, and Wyoming.

 

[golfer]

This bill will force the hands of legislators to say where they stand. Which is a good thing.

Wouldn’t it only show a where a handful stand and leave the rest not having to take a stand?

I’m guessing this is dead in committee.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Wouldn’t it only show a where a handful stand and leave the rest not having to take a stand?

I’m guessing this is dead in committee.

Sure - but it's going to cost some political capital to do so.

Not saying it doesn't happen this way - but I hope that enough people (I'd bet even 50 changes the game in terms of optics) show up that those legislators can get a live look at the constituents they are screwing.