Crossbows

[wyoming556]

There was an episode of Wildgame Nation where Craig Morgan shot and killed an antelope at like 86 yards with a crossbow

He is an idiot no doubt. That arrow bounced into the antelope off the ground as well. My brother who lives in Bozeman ran across him last fall. He was setting up a fake elk camp in the NF as was actually staying in a lodge. Just making it look good for TV. My bro didn't even know who he was and Mr Morgan kept asking him if he had heard of the song "redneck yacht club" or any of his other hits.

Pretty sure the guy who shot the big sheep(auction tag i believe) in Mt this year used a regular vertical bow to shoot about that same distance. It's not just the crossbow guys who are shooiting farther than they should. Regualr archery guys, muzzleloader, and we all know there are way more rifle shots taken that are far from most peoples effective range. If you have a cds dial scope just dial up long distance and let her rip seems to be the new fad. That or just follow the lines in the scope that tell you where to hold out to 800 or so. I've gotta think the extra long crossbow shots make up a very small % of the shots past effective range that are taken each year.

 

[wyoming556]

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[tjones]

As you know the regs vary from state to state. In Nebraska for example we have a generous muzzy season that last over 4 weeks along with a couple of weeks for centerfire season, and archery season lasts over 3 months for deer and over 4 months for antelope.

My point is that as far as I know no state that allows crossbow use has changed the archery seasons length even though it constantly gets brought up in this thread. .

Do you know of any?

The point is you can not maintain the long seasons we have now if you add more hunters with more effective weapons.

 

[wyoming556]

The point is you can not maintain the long seasons we have now if you add more hunters with more effective weapons.

I disagree as no states that currently allow them have had to change the archery seasons becasue of them. Nebraska didn't change the 4+ months of antelope season and the tags are even OTC as well.

This is the 3rd time i've asked, do you know of any that have?

 

[Bob Vetter]

Just can't help my self , crossbows suck

 

[tjones]

I disagree as no states that currently allow them have had to change the archery seasons becasue of them. Nebraska didn't change the 4+ months of antelope season and the tags are even OTC as well.

This is the 3rd time i've asked, do you know of any that have?

Have you looked at the seasons the states that allow them had before cross bows and then looked at the seasons they have now? All the states?

One thing that is for sure Montana will never allow them during archery season. Fact

 

[wyoming556]

Just can't help my self , crossbows suck

Crossbows is the Devil.

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

Crossbows are great for handicapped folks... Sorta like this..

 

[wyoming556]

Have you looked at the seasons the states that allow them had before cross bows and then looked at the seasons they have now? All the states?

One thing that is for sure Montana will never allow them during archery season. Fact

I take it you don't know of any so your answer must be NO and don't want to admit that crossbows havent changed any seasons, specifically WY or NE.

Fact? I have no doubt you believe that.

From what I have seen out of the various state lawmakers I wouldn't count on anything these days. Who knows what will be legal in 25, 50 or more years. Propably be shooting lazers from i-pads at animals over a mile away by then. I could care less as I don't shoot a crossbow and honestly have not ever run into anybody shooting one while I was hunting but am aware that they seem to be getting more and more popular asn it's propably just a matter of time before more and more states make them legal during archery seasons. Same deal with lighted knocks.

 

[Mudranger1]

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!! Curse you DEBIL TALKERS!!

 

[JMG]

Well if your points are valid please answer these 3 questions to confirm.

1) What states are having safety issues with crossbows used during archery season? A - Don't know, don't really care. The problem is the capability of the weapon to shoot "faster" and "further" and what may or may not be at the target and beyond.

2) What states are having safety issues with muzzleloader season? A - All of them. Muzzleloaders are a firearm/gun . . . that in itself is a Safety Issue. Any State that allows a muzzleloader season AND an archery season at the same time, has a safety issue. That's common sense. Q. Why is it that you have to wear 400 sq. in. of Hunter's orange during the general rifle season? A - So, you are visible and don't get shot. Its not that the person wearing the orange will get themselves shot . . . its the person on the other end that may or may not pull the trigger, because they are not sure of their target and beyond.

3) What states have a seperate "crossbow only" season outside regular archery? A - Don't know, don't care. The problem is the capability of the weapon to shoot "faster" and "further" and what may or may not be at the target and beyond and the person operating it.

 

[Bob Vetter]

Crossbows is the Devil.

Your killing me to funny !!!

 

[wyoming556]

Well if your points are valid please answer these 3 questions to confirm.

1) What states are having safety issues with crossbows used during archery season? A - Don't know, don't really care. The problem is the capability of the weapon to shoot "faster" and "further" and what may or may not be at the target and beyond.

2) What states are having safety issues with muzzleloader season? A - All of them. Muzzleloaders are a firearm/gun . . . that in itself is a Safety Issue. Any State that allows a muzzleloader season AND an archery season at the same time, has a safety issue. That's common sense. Q. Why is it that you have to wear 400 sq. in. of Hunter's orange during the general rifle season? A - So, you are visible and don't get shot. Its not that the person wearing the orange will get themselves shot . . . its the person on the other end that may or may not pull the trigger, because they are not sure of their target and beyond.

3) What states have a seperate "crossbow only" season outside regular archery? A - Don't know, don't care. The problem is the capability of the weapon to shoot "faster" and "further" and what may or may not be at the target and beyond and the person operating it.

You are the one that made those claims and now don't want to back any of it up with evidence. I like debating with people but when you just make stuff up it's really not constructive. You made the claims and said those were the problems with crossbows and muzzleloaders and now your answer is "i don't care" becasue there is no evidence to back your claims up that I am aware of and now you start chanigng your story. Speaking of shooting faster and further it seems mondern guns are causing the problems you spoke of.

Plenty of accidents happen when people are hunting during gun season because people are shooting so far away they can't identify what the target it. Examples.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-marine-dead-in-oregon-thought-he-was-a-bear/

Not to mention all the griz and moose that are accidentally shot by gun hunters in MT and CO. Like this.

http://www.timescall.com/news/coloradonews/ci_19255927

http://www.thewesternnews.com/outdoors/article_9ecce154-2bf5-11e1-a0b7-001871e3ce6c.html

That is how you debate people with real evidence instead of made up stories. Not aware of any state that you don't have ot wear orange during muzzy season.

What state are you talking about that doesn't require orange during muzzy season?

 

[Mudranger1]

I agree with you 100% wyo but I will at least assume he was referring to archery hunters not wearing orange while all of the muzzleloader hunters shoot at them behind the bushes. During concurrent seasons like in Colorado

 

[wyoming556]

Crossbow, Compound Bow, whatever, just remember to stay in shape for when that time comes. John

Nice. Saw this one today. She caught my eye. Pretty good shape as well. Heard she likes to crossbow hunt during archery season.

 

[RUT JUNKEY]

Have you looked at the seasons the states that allow them had before cross bows and then looked at the seasons they have now? All the states?

One thing that is for sure Montana will never allow them during archery season. Fact

The seasons haven't changed here in Indiana yet. From what I've seen, I wouldn't say anything is "for sure" in your state of Montana.

 

[tjones]

Ask Toby Bridges how his push for a muzzle loader season went.

 

[Straight Arrow]

A couple of sessions ago, a bill was introduced on behalf of a handicapped hunter (recently arriving in Montana, coincidentally? named Jennings) to allow crossbows during the archery only season. The bill was defeated largely due to efforts by Montana Bowhunters Association, who pointed out that there already is a provision in the regs to modify conventional archery equipment to be compatible with the particular handicap. In fact, MBA had a program to provide assistance to handicapped hunters to modify their archery equipment and help them hunt.

But like wyo556 pointed out, who knows what could happen in the future regarding this issue and others coming up in the legislature? .... esp if a Jennings or whoever brings a girlfriend from the beach to testify, like the one who recently caught wyo's eye.

 

[wyoming556]

Ask Toby Bridges how his push for a muzzle loader season went.

I appreciate your "we will never" attitude but like many things in life change, so will laws, even those in MT. Look at speed limits for example, they have varied substantially in the last 25 years. Seems like there wasn't a speed limit on interstates in MT at one point but that law has changed as well. Same with pot laws, was illegal and now it's a simple as getting a doctors note in many states. They failed many times before they actually passed pot laws but eventually won. Being gay was illegal in MT, now they march up and down main in Bozeman once a year. Some states even allow them to get married. Honestly I thought we would never have an african american president, obviously I was wrong. Now I wouldn't be surprised if we had a hispanic or female president someday. I would have never thought non residents could buy tags at reduced prices but MT passed the native MT bill and are now trying to make it even easier to buy tags at reduced prices. Same with gun laws, they changed during the Clinton years and changed back during the Bush years and I am expecting them to change again soon. Kinda like hunting with silencers, would have nver thought that would pass but in some states it's legal now. Some states you used to have to get a doctors not to use a crossbow, now in many states you don't even have to do that. Look at alcohol, hard to image that was once illegal in this country, but laws changed. Using the word "never" sets you up to be disappointed as change is the one thing that is for sure in our society. :W:

 

[Straight Arrow]

The only CONSTANT in life is CHANGE!