Bots and Colorado tag reissue list

[Big Fin]

I had mentioned on a podcast that a person had approached me about using a bot to illustrate how easy it is to get tags on the CPW reissue list. He had proven the same on the website mentioned in the article linked below.

He said he was as able to get any float permit he wanted, even when odds were less than 1%. He did it to prove a point. The problem at Recreation.gov still hasn’t been fixed.

He told me the same is happening at CPW with the reissue list and offered to do the same thing for me on the CPW site to prove his point. I’ve not taken him up on his offer, but I’ve thought about doing it, screen capturing it, not to scam a tag but to show that is can be done and is likely being done each year, the same as is happening at Recreation.gov.

Anyhow, found this article interesting. A known problem that goes unresolved.

Link - https://www.wired.com/story/the-us-...s-to-public-lands-then-everything-went-wrong/

 

[ccc23454]

I think you should do it just to bring attention to it, make it a episode. Maybe some outcry gets things fixed (squeaky wheel).

 

[WapitiBob]

WYG&F got ahead of it, or saw it was happening, and went to all draws. CPW and Rec.gov could do the same and eliminate the problem; they're already drawing the initial product.

 

[Big Fin]

WYG&F got ahead of it, or saw it was happening, and went to all draws. CPW and Rec.gov could do the same and eliminate the problem; they're already drawing the initial product.

Yup. But first you have to admit it might be happening.

 

[seeth07]

or we be quiet about it so I can continue to use my experience and expertise on the subject to get tags on the reissue list *wink wink*

All kidding aside, yes this isn't very hard to do and it absolutely can be done with a program like auto hotkey that is easy to download and learn how to use. You just need to trial and error experiment with it for a few weeks to learn how the process works and the steps that CPW has taken to try and limit this from happening. I was able to get past all of their measures for the most part last year.

 

[cgasner1]

I get why you wouldn’t do it and make them look like idiots in the public given the work you do with wildlife agencies. I’ll be willing to let you do an episode of fresh tracks if you want someone else to draw the tag.

 

[TheTone]

I would 100% expect this was happening with some of the high demand tags in Idaho old non resident tag system, there really was no other explanation for how a few connected people kept getting the hardest to get tags year after year.

Technology is the worst and all the AI and data center crap is only making the problems bigger

 

[Buschy]

Extend an invite to a high-level CPW administrator for the podcast and get the tags using bots right in front of them. Then patiently wait for a response.

 

[Oak]

It might be worth it to reach out to CPW about the issue, but I think they are aware it is a problem. And I'm not sure they will take extensive measures to fix it given that it won't be much of an issue after 2027. They are making the switch from Aspira to Brandt, and returned tags will be auto reissued beginning in 2028.

 

[Bluffgruff]

Easy solution is in person only reissues

 

[Khunter]

If bots really could pull that off with regularity, guys like a friend of mind would not have snagged a reissue desert sheep ram tag at a regular CPOW tag vendor. Do not doubt bots are getting it done with CPW reissues, but not as completely and perfectly as some want to imagine. IMO

 

[ciihom]

Surprised nobody has tried the concert-ticket waiting-room model on this yet — randomized queue position when the page opens, every refresh just keeps your spot in line. Doesn’t stop bots from getting in line, but it stops them from gaining anything by hammering refresh. Anyone know if CPW has actually said what’s blocking a fix in the meantime, or is it just “wait for the 2028 Brandt rollout”?

 

[elkmo]

or we be quiet about it so I can continue to use my experience and expertise on the subject to get tags on the reissue list *wink wink*

All kidding aside, yes this isn't very hard to do and it absolutely can be done with a program like auto hotkey that is easy to download and learn how to use. You just need to trial and error experiment with it for a few weeks to learn how the process works and the steps that CPW has taken to try and limit this from happening. I was able to get past all of their measures for the most part last year.

and what were the measure you got around...captcha?

 

[WEST RIVER]

Wyoming does put all the (returned for good cause) deer pronghorn and elk licenses in the leftover list they just show up randomly. I tried to get them to put them in some kind of a weekly draw to get past the bots and make it where everyone that didn't work at a computer all day had an equal shot at them but so far they tell me its just going to be a free for all. The first two years there were 1600 licenses returned.

 

[WEST RIVER]

This the context from the actual regulation.

 

[Mallardsx2]

2028 can’t get here fast enough. I’m so sick of this bull$hit.

 

[Treeshark]

2028 can’t get here fast enough. I’m so sick of this bull$hit.

I’ve seen you hint at this a bit, and I’ve been curious/ what are you looking forward to in particular?

Is it the part about returned tags going to the next unsuccessful person in the draw first?

 

[Mallardsx2]

I’ve seen you hint at this a bit, and I’ve been curious/ what are you looking forward to in particular?

Is it the part about returned tags going to the next unsuccessful person in the draw first?

I’ll just say that I’m happy that people who will be receiving turned in EE07601A tags will be burning their points to receive that tag.

As they damn skippy should be…

There are a lot of net positives coming. The above is just one of them.

 

[Treeshark]

I’ll just say that I’m happy that people who will be receiving turned in EE07601A tags will be burning their points to receive that tag.

As they damn skippy should be…

Very much agree there.

 

[grasshopper]

CPW's commission is the biggest mess it has ever been, and the leader just changed. I would be shocked if this was ever a priority. Maybe if it was citizens petition it would be heard, it seems that is all they do anymore.