Billings Gazette Article

[Treeshark]

Can you explain that? Honestly?

Certainly. I find myself rooting for them because, tangentially, it may lead to other changes that make it easier for me to go hunting out west.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Certainly. I find myself rooting for them because, tangentially, it may lead to other changes that make it easier for me to go hunting out west.

Walk me through how landowner tags get you (as a nr) additional opportunity.

The more likely scenario is that R and NR LOs happily screw your opportunity to benefit eachother.

The classic example is already referenced in this thread. NR LOs were given permits and those permits came out of the NR pool.

 

[Treeshark]

Walk me through how landowner tags get you (as a nr) additional opportunity.

Step towards transferable.

 

[mtmuley]

Step towards transferable.

Not in Montana. mtmuley

 

[Treeshark]

Not in Montana. mtmuley

Betcha someday

 

[mtmuley]

Betcha someday

Hopefully not. Lots of money here though. Sometimes things need to stop. Transferable tags in Montana is one. The people here in Montana have demonstrated it isn't something wanted.
mtmuley

 

[Straight Arrow]

Betcha someday

The Shark has spoken!

 

[Forkyfinder]

Step towards transferable.

If there ever are transferable tags - it will because the R in this state collaborated with NR LOs to take opportunity from DIY NR.

Only way its politically possible - same lie that sold hb 635.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Sure would provide a lot of access though, especially if Montana structured it wisely.

Start a thread. Would love to see the elegant solution you have envisioned.

 

[Treeshark]

Would love to see the elegant solution you have envisioned.

Somehow I doubt you’d love it

 

[Straight Arrow]

Start a thread. Would love to see the elegant solution you have envisioned.

Thanks for calling out for explanation. However, it's highly doubtful that a logical solution will be forthcoming. The "transferable tags" ideology is a narrow mindset with no overall rationale that could benefit Montana's wildlife, wildlife management, or hunting opportunities. This is close to a Deja Vu of previous hollow Wisconsin "assertions".

 

[Forkyfinder]

Thanks for calling out for explanation. However, it's highly doubtful that a logical solution will be forthcoming. The "transferable tags" ideology is a narrow mindset with no overall rationale that could benefit Montana's wildlife, wildlife management, or hunting opportunities. This is close to a Deja Vu of previous hollow Wisconsin "assertions".

He could be wrong. Im not opposed to the idea out of principle - just this statement as baseline of whats acceptable - are the tradeoffs worth it for the resource and the beneficaries (state R) utilization of it?

 

[Irrelevant]

Wow, some of you would totally support a feudal system, out of pure ideology, I guess? All because you actually think investing your measly little 100k salary is going to actually get you a mini fiefdom? Get you into the club?

I don't do what you're smoking, but it must be good.

 

[huntin24/7]

I’m still baffled that non-resident landowner tags are a real thing. No beef with resident landowner tags and obviously regular non res tags, but that’s something that should never exist. If you want to own land and have easier to get tags, live here. Not totally on topic, but kinda related.

 

[mtmuley]

Draw a tag. One for every person applying. No transfers. mtmuley

 

[BuzzH]

There's so many fallacies with treesharks ideology it's not even funny.

First one being, I don't even think he applies or hunts in Montana.

After that, if landowner tags become transferable it will only be for the general combo licenses. Meaning, you would still be applying for the special permits in the limited areas throughout the state. Which also means that unless you have a stack of NR points for the breaks, elkhorns, bitterroot, etc. for deer, you're not going to be hunting those areas. Even with points, it's doubtful.

Plus, lets just be honest, even at the normal NR prices, Montana hunting for general deer and elk isn't close to what it used to be. But, I'm sure there will be people willing to pay substantially more to avoid the draw. The chances of treeshark paying more than the going rate for a general combo, either elk or deer is about zero.

Its funny how a person like treeshark can likely hunt Montana probably 7-8 times in a 10 year stretch by being smart about it, want's transferable tags that he'll never purchase.

IMO, he's all fake and likes being a contrarian, that's cool. But, to be whining about no opportunity while sitting on the couch when he 100% could be hunting multiple states a year, is self-defeating. I leave so much NR opportunity on the table every year it's ridiculous.

On the other hand, he does constantly remind everyone to be diligent on keeping transferable tags out of your states.

 

[Forkyfinder]

After that, if landowner tags become transferable it will only be for the general combo licenses. Meaning, you would still be applying for the special permits in the limited areas throughout the state.

That barrier was already broke

 

[Irrelevant]

I’m still baffled that non-resident landowner tags are a real thing.

This may piss you off, but my take from the outside, is that it seems like as long as Montanans continue to allow wealthy non-residents to buy their elections, you can expect that wealthy NRs to keep getting returns on their "investments".

 

[huntin24/7]

This may piss you off, but my take from the outside, is that it seems like as long as Montanans continue to allow wealthy non-residents to buy their elections, you can expect that wealthy NRs to keep getting returns on their "investments".

I won’t argue with that statement.

 

[Forkyfinder]

This may piss you off, but my take from the outside, is that it seems like as long as Montanans continue to allow wealthy non-residents to buy their elections, you can expect that wealthy NRs to keep getting returns on their "investments".

Some of them are so misinformed to show up and advocate for it. For free.