Attack on the Feds independence

[Handlebar]

The idea that the "bipartisan" border bill pushed out by Sen Larkford was going to fix the issue is in my opinion ludicrous. As long as the incentives offered by sanctuary states and cities exist people will come. The birthright citizenship case in the Supreme court will have a huge impact.

 

[SAJ-99]

unless the democrats run someone in the middle.

The fact that you view Trump and Harris was equally bad tells me a lot. But I am very curious if any of these names interest you. In other words, where exactly is your middle?
Andy Bashear - Gov of Kentucky
Gavin Newsom- Gov of Cali
JB Pritzker - Gov Of IL
Josh Shapiro- Gov of Penn
Rahm Emanuel - Fmr Obama Chief of Staff, Former Major of Chicago
Mark Kelly- AZ senator
AOC

 

[Bonasababy]

The Bill that Trump killed was killed while Biden was in office still--a year before Trumps current term--and he would have not tried to veto it.

And no Presidents--including Trump who tried and was not allowed--cannot wave their hand and close the border themselves!

Trump tried and lost--he then appealed a US District court decision in 2018 against his ability to close the border all the way to the US Supreme Court--and his Trump Friendly SCUS declined to agree with him. Part of the district courts decision that the supreme court declined to address and let stand was based on that ability not being the intent of law and congress.

Legally a president cannot close the border.

And it's rich to point the finger at Biden--as the Bill Trump had killed WOULD HAVE FINALLY GIVEN THE PRESIDENT AUTHORITY they need to close a border.

The reality is
1) Trump tried but found he didn't have the authority to close the border,
2) then when bipartisan legislation was developed that would grant the president that ability he stepped in and told republicans--enough of who were planning to support it to gain passage--to vote against it.

So Trumps actions directly ended any chance that Biden--or any president--had to close the border.

Some reading on the issue.

As conservatives balk, U.S. Border Patrol union endorses Senate immigration deal

The National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2020, said the new bipartisan bill "will drop illegal border crossings nationwide."

www.nbcnews.com

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

www.factcheck.org

Justices rebuff government on asylum ban

Last week the federal government went to the Supreme Court, asking the justices to block a ruling by a federal judge that bars the Trump administration from denying asylum to […]

www.scotusblog.com

Transgender stuff is straying way afield but is a good example of the "but what about" mindset so many Trump supporters have(even if they aren't supporters anymore). Tiny problem in comparison to what really motivates people to vote. The prices they pay, their job prospects, the costs of things going up and up, watching more giveaways to the wealthy while all of the rest of us are hurting people.

People thinking thought their pocketbook needed improvement and thinking Trump could do that is why he won--their increasing realization that he and republicans made it worse is why republicans are in serious trouble.

Polls tell that story--for now in this time at least. Keep in mind most elections do not depend on die hards from either side changing their mind--they are decided by the masses in the middle and which way they lean. The biggest drop--and it's more than enough to result in a bloodbath for republicans in the midterm--is in numbers of people not aligned with either party who now have dropped their support for Trump and republicans.

Certainly agree that most places do not promote middle ground candidates--a consequence of the hold the two parties have is candidates have to please their party base which on both sides is more extreme than the average person.

I would like to think that a charismatic independent could win the day and start a sanity movement in politics but the cards are strongly stacked against that happening.

I see it more likely--and though I fear the result a bit--that dems get sweeping control. Only something drastic can lead to any change in the extremes the republican party has fled to.

Thats assuming they actually want to win an election. I am not sure in my state that they do--looking at the candidates they run up for statewide office consideration, at least.

 

[Carnage2011]

The fact that you view Trump and Harris was equally bad tells me a lot. But I am very curious if any of these names interest you. In other words, where exactly is your middle?
Andy Bashear - Gov of Kentucky
Gavin Newsom- Gov of Cali
JB Pritzker - Gov Of IL
Josh Shapiro- Gov of Penn
Rahm Emanuel - Fmr Obama Chief of Staff, Former Major of Chicago
Mark Kelly- AZ senator
AOC

I’m not going to breakdown each one but I think Shapiro would roll. Kamala should have picked him as her VP candidate last time…

 

[SAJ-99]

I’m not going to breakdown each one but I think Shapiro would roll. Kamala should have picked him as her VP candidate last time…

Do you think maybe the Republican party should also move away from crazy and toward the middle?

It always seems that the reasonable/former republicans I talk to fault the democrats for running a bad candidate. Then they proceed to ask that the party move further right. I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but just that it doesn’t solve anything if all citizens aren’t willing to be more flexible with their ideals.

 

[Carnage2011]

Do you think maybe the Republican party should also move away from crazy and toward the middle?

It always seems that the reasonable/former republicans I talk to fault the democrats for running a bad candidate. Then they proceed to ask that the party move further right. I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but just that it doesn’t solve anything if all citizens aren’t willing to be more flexible with their ideals.

I absolutely think that, but we know who the republican candidates will be. Vance, Rubio, or Vivek. Politicians are dumb…Republicans think they are killing it right now so they aren’t going to magically run a moderate. They believe their movement is strong and will carry them through. Sometimes it takes a good ass kicking for a party to reflect on what went wrong. Democrats gave the ability to capitalize on their last election and run a moderate candidate that can win. After the blood bath in the last election, the DNC basically came out and said their candidates were a poor choice.

If both sides continue to run someone farther on the fringes then we are in for a long few elections.

 

[Gr8bawana]

Nazi and white-nationalist slogans? Lay off the CTV/CBC....

 

[SAJ-99]

I absolutely think that, but we know who the republican candidates will be. Vance, Rubio, or Vivek. Politicians are dumb…Republicans think they are killing it right now so they aren’t going to magically run a moderate. They believe their movement is strong and will carry them through. Sometimes it takes a good ass kicking for a party to reflect on what went wrong. Democrats gave the ability to capitalize on their last election and run a moderate candidate that can win. After the blood bath in the last election, the DNC basically came out and said their candidates were a poor choice.

If both sides continue to run someone farther on the fringes then we are in for a long few elections.

I’m not sure what that movement is. It seems to be using a culture war to gain power and fleece the American people for profit. Many think Clinton, Obama, and Biden are fringe. You can’t show data showing actual performance. A lot of the movement is about ignoring the important stuff and believing made up stories.

I don’t think the Repubs can get more fringe than Trump, but they will try.

 

[Chama Grande]

Well he got the participation trophy he wanted, maybe Greenland can sleep easy tonight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/15/machado-trump-nobel-prize/

 

[406dn]

I don’t think the Repubs can get more fringe than Trump, but they will try.

A number of years ago, I enjoyed the HBO series True Blood. There were a number of characters who were shapeshifters.

The GOP has several. Vance, Cruz, Miss Lindsay and others.

One of the less admirable traits of politicians is their willingness to morph into whatever they think sells best. No small part of why...is that it usually works.