still waiting on the tooth data to come back, but I figure he is over 8. and yes he was a tank of a bull. great 1st bull for my sister in law....in fact the 1st 3 bulls were the 1st taken by the hunters. I just wish the bull I took would have taken a different route back to the MTN so he could have been the shooter and made it 4. Utah general season bull hunts are pretty tough to just get on a bull let alone kill a mature bull especially on public ground, so I am pretty excited on finding a little chunk of public ground that I saw good bulls every day and not have orange all around me. I had not hunted Utah on a general hunt for over 15 years with the exception of a couple spike tags that I bought and filled when I failed to draw out of state...I bought this tag when there was less 200 any bull tags left. I think next year I will get one a little sooner