Against. Muzzy hunts should be primitive.
What are your highly educated opinions on tech in hunting?
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Hammsolo
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Have any of you been learning about AI drones? They’re becoming autonomous… James Bond and beyond.
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I love Trash Head! I will be chasing Larry all year.
Greybeard
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I made the switch from hog grease to the new fangled Bore Butter on patches for round balls. Does that count?
(Just kidding, I still use hog grease)
(Just kidding, I still use hog grease)
Dan O
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This will not be accepted by many but lets put the hunting back into hunting. No electronics allowed including rangefinders. No GPS learn to navigate using maps and compass or learn your survival skills. Muzzleloader seasons Montana has a good model. As for the long range hunting craze to me you're not a hunter just a shooter.
If this doesn't rile some of you up, I'd be shocked.
If this doesn't rile some of you up, I'd be shocked.
geetar
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It doesn't get me riled up. It makes me think the guys who watch them grow and pass on shooting them for years until they reach maturity are really not much different than farmers who raise a pig or steer for meat until it reaches the right size or age for slaughter.
geetar
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Don't know. Link didn't work.
No rangefinders means more wounded animals. No GPS means wasted time for SARs and probably a few deaths for lost souls.
There’s plenty of other items of tech to ban.
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My son shot his first bull elk this week. I spotted the herd he was with at 3/4mile with my binoculars, verified it was a bull he wanted with my spotting scope and then marked location and plotted ambush route using my ONx on my phone. I was on that particular glassing knob that morning based on information and location pins provided by a friend several days prior.
The shot distance ended up being less than 150 yards when it happened so rifle technology advances weren’t relevant in that case but technology definitely made success much easier in this instance.
For me, information technology is the single biggest advantage that I have used in my own personal hunting.
Wildlife is a finite resource. I see season lengths and bag limits having to change in response to technological advances and increased hunter lethality across the board.
Some technology limitations need to be part of the equation. Some opportunity limitations are going to have to be part of the equation as well.
The shot distance ended up being less than 150 yards when it happened so rifle technology advances weren’t relevant in that case but technology definitely made success much easier in this instance.
For me, information technology is the single biggest advantage that I have used in my own personal hunting.
Wildlife is a finite resource. I see season lengths and bag limits having to change in response to technological advances and increased hunter lethality across the board.
Some technology limitations need to be part of the equation. Some opportunity limitations are going to have to be part of the equation as well.
406dn
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Generally speaking, I would prefer less technology in hunting, but when has mankind willingly moved backwards with knowledge?
Most every tool is a double edged sword. While I can see the danger to hunting from thermal inmaging, I can also see the wounding loss rate on big game, going way down, if it was used to recover game.
Most every tool is a double edged sword. While I can see the danger to hunting from thermal inmaging, I can also see the wounding loss rate on big game, going way down, if it was used to recover game.
Caseknife
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I think it all stems back to "fair chase". We were talking about this a few weeks go on a mule deer hunt. We came to the conclusion that to be "fair chase" the animal has to be able to detect you as a threat. Any technology that aids in reducing that "threat" is not right. Anybody that claims that regularly shooting at animals 1-1200 yards away is hunting is wrong in my mind. May have the skills to pull it off, but it is not hunting, it is sniping. My thoughts in a nutshell.
I am not a fan of tech that makes it too easy to locate the animal and get a shot.
I am a fan of tech that results in fewer wounded animals / more game recovered.
Often times these are accomplished with the same tech, and that gets messy.
It seems to me that encouraging "traditional" weaponry to force people to get closer is shortsighted. You might be making the guy that unloads his semiautomatic rifle to tag a deer instead wound 5 in its place.
For example, the rifle+ammo combo that results in a flatter trajectory leads to fewer wounds because of a larger MPBR, but that same flatter trajectory would lead some to try to shoot further than they should, which could lead to more wounding.
Lighted knocks are helpful in game recovery - you can much more easily follow the shot path and an animal's exit. However, some people will take riskier shots because of this.
I want people to be lethal when they pull the trigger, I just dont want it to be too easy to be in the trigger pulling position, and I dont know what the answer is there.
I am a fan of tech that results in fewer wounded animals / more game recovered.
Often times these are accomplished with the same tech, and that gets messy.
It seems to me that encouraging "traditional" weaponry to force people to get closer is shortsighted. You might be making the guy that unloads his semiautomatic rifle to tag a deer instead wound 5 in its place.
For example, the rifle+ammo combo that results in a flatter trajectory leads to fewer wounds because of a larger MPBR, but that same flatter trajectory would lead some to try to shoot further than they should, which could lead to more wounding.
Lighted knocks are helpful in game recovery - you can much more easily follow the shot path and an animal's exit. However, some people will take riskier shots because of this.
I want people to be lethal when they pull the trigger, I just dont want it to be too easy to be in the trigger pulling position, and I dont know what the answer is there.
Oh if you havent watched the Whitetail Research thermal drone videos, go do so and then contact your legislator to ban them / require a crazy expensive permit or something. If you think guide possees are bad this is a whole new level.
I'm rarely on the "ban it" bandwagon but these things are extreme.
I'm rarely on the "ban it" bandwagon but these things are extreme.
Gross!
Dan O
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That's a possibility regarding rangefinders. I think it would average out with all the poor judgement with the guys shooting beyond their ability's because they know the range and try to dial it in disregarding the effects wind and weather has on the bullet.
Regarding the GPS I would give a pass to items such as the in reach for SOS purposes. Relying on a GPS gets people in trouble when the battery dies. Most people depend on electronics without thoughts of if it fails then what. Good map and compass are their best option for dependability.
As for S&R I do have experience with that. I was the S&R coordinator for the Sheriff's Office for 6 years. The S&R volunteers are an amazing group of people. They bust their butts giving time and using their own equipment to get the job done quickly and safely. During my time there we were able to get the S&R on the tax role to help with operations. By removing the GPS crutch from people, they might up their skills and backwoods skills. But we know some would still try for the Darwin award. Heck we're only human and some folks work hard at it.
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Sounds perfect to me and is how I grew up hunting. There's so much tech today that it's hard to call it hunting, or at least by my standards
I think that AI is one of the worst things to have ever happened to mankind, up there with the black death, only worse. I would be very strongly in favor of banning it's use in any form for hunting purposes.Hey All, My brother and I were chatting last night and he’s pondering getting some Sig Sauer Zulu image stabilizing binoculars. This led to finding Swaros $5000 AI powered binoculars that is supposed to be able to identify birds. How long before AI simply scans the viewing field for critters you request?
So, where are your lines? E-bikes are stupid.I don’t think image stabilization is over the top, but AI can get the eff out.
Nick87
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Agreed. Archery should be as well. I say that as a guy who shoots a compound. But if they were outlawed tomorrow, id gladly be picking up a recurve. If were not going to limit tech then we need to start to limit seasons and tag allocation to reflect the changes over the last 20 years and counting. Of course that would probably put the pedal to the floor on more tech evolving, so im not sure what the answer is there. But the future isn't bright imo.
I agree with all but the silencers. They're old tech that would be a standard item on hunting rifles today if some misguided politicians 90 years ago wouldn't have made them prohibitively expensive to get. They don't increase efficacy in any way, unlike the other items on your list.
