VikingsGuy
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Most football teams have higher grad rates than the typical student group. And it is not the scholarships. Non-scholarship football players do even better than that.
WARNING: Student Load Forgiveness is Very Unlikely to Pay for Your Next Elk Tag
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Some jobs can be accomplished and accomplished well with degrees that do not pertain to the job. But many DO require a specific degree. Anyone want to have open heart surgery from someone with political science degree? How about any of the other Liberal Arts degrees? As discussed, you aren't going to be an engineer without that degree (technically possible, but exceedingly rare). I certainly don't want non-degreed, non-PE "engineers" designing the bridge I am going to drive under when a train is going over the bridge. On trial for murder? Hey, your lawyer didn't actually go to law school, but did a great job on his English Literature degree.
Much has been said about the thinking skills that liberal arts degrees gain. Those same skills are learned by other degrees as well. Believe me, Calc 4 requires some thinking skills!
Much has been said about the thinking skills that liberal arts degrees gain. Those same skills are learned by other degrees as well. Believe me, Calc 4 requires some thinking skills!
i had another realization after my last post.
i know a guy who is a mechanical engineer and worked in medical devices, made a lot of money.
he's an investment banker now, makes a lot of money.
ergo, the only degree anyone should ever get is an engineering degree -- you can go be whatever you want, including an engineer.
i know a guy who is a mechanical engineer and worked in medical devices, made a lot of money.
he's an investment banker now, makes a lot of money.
ergo, the only degree anyone should ever get is an engineering degree -- you can go be whatever you want, including an engineer.
np307
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Funny how everyone plans for their kids to be on the far right of a normal distribution curve. It happens all the time in sports, education, etc.
VikingsGuy
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I always tell kids who ask for college/career advice, “If you are intellectually able, add a STEM major/minor to what ever you want to be and you will have more options and add to your earning capacity.” So, you like to teach - stem teachers are in higher demand and are often paid more. You want to do marketing- marketing pharma or cell phones pays better than marketing groceries. You want to be a writer? Technical writing is a great way to generate income while writing the great American novel. Want to go to law school? More demand (and more recession proof) for lawyers to deal with technology and innovation than general lawyers.
This made me think a little. My first reaction: that seems logical. Why wouldn't you plan for your kids to be successful. Then you think a little deeper. Does the act of planning actually help you kids achieve that? Do parents actually plan for kids to be in the middle or below average? I would wager that there is a strong causation between where parents plan for their kids to end up and where they actually end up.
I would assume there are quite a few parents that don't plan at all. I would opine that those kids are much less successful. Funny how most of the worlds problems eventually come back to parenting.
Brian in Montana
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I felt like I was reading the Babylon Bee.
np307
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Here's more the scenario I had in mind. Parents do okay, in the tough spot between getting a bunch of aid and having enough money to not need it. They push little Jimmy to go to college for an engineering degree, because, as we've seen from this thread apparently that's the golden ticket. He gets into a state school but has to take out loans. Tries to pursue that engineering degree but just doesn't have what it takes.
What's he do now? Eat the debt with no degree? Pursue another degree? But what if that degree isn't a golden ticket?
VikingsGuy
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How is that different than starting a small business that fails or choosing a construction career but then have a housing slump, etc?
np307
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Nobody makes fun of your "useless degree" or says you should just get used to flipping burgers if your small business fails or your sector downturns.
It used to be (and probably still is) that every USAF Academy graduate was at least a double major. Their preferred area of study and engineering.
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So at the UMich teaching hospital Dr. Koelling does Heart Transplants... and therefore obviously teaches fellows, but also bills a ton for the University Hospital.
We have such a weird system...
PE. the correct answer is be a PE teacher.
But then...
Professors
Law School
Business School
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@DouglasR I expect your future diatribes to be about the generational wealth and systemic inequalities... "bag" getting by these folks
VikingsGuy
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Can’t speak to Mich. or this particular doctor, but many doctors at teaching school also make a lot of $$ outside of state salary working with other practices and consulting. (Of course, so to big time coaches)
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Reading this thread has made me wonder about the career choices that young folks have ahead of them. I wonder how AI technology is going to effect some of the career fields that have been discussed here and if some of them will not be very viable much longer. For example my son is thinking of majoring in Atmospheric Sciences (meteorology) I am concerned that this might not be a viable career path with the advent of these newer technologies. My wife says I am over thinking it and you should always pursue your dreams, I get that but you need to put grits on the table too. curious what some of y'all think
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Totally, I assume the appt Fraction denotes this though may not include moonlighting. Anecdotally, that number as a full time salary (total comp) is in line with what I no folks at other hospitals in medicine sub-specialties.
VikingsGuy
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I‘ll take the bait and blow up the thread. re: generational wealth . . .
I want the following 4 changes to our US tax system and I want them now:
- Max aggregate tax burden of 35% of annual income - local, state, federal — all forms.
- Under $10million ($20m joint)=0% death tax - over $10/20million=100% death tax with only up to half being able to be reduced via charitable donation
- Any person holding more than $10 million ($20m joint) in unrealized but liquid gains will have any borrowed amounts treated as ordinary income other than borrowed funds directly invested into capital assets. This includes loans against life ins.
- Above $10m ($20m joint) lifetime net capital gains and dividend income, all future capital gains and dividends will be taxed as ordinary income.
Drop the mic.
Pick the mic back up, I don’t disagree with most of your ideas.
If I was fortunate enough to hit that 20 mil cap (dream on) I would much prefer to be able to donate everything to charity than see the government get their hands on any of it.
If we’re making tax changes then I want every single person to have skin in the game. 48-52% of people in this country pay nothing and that’s not acceptable if you want to hammer people for being successful.
VikingsGuy
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At some point the govt has to have the funds to run the “common good” activities our democratic process supports. I figure 50-50 is a fair balance of a dead person’s interest in charity.
My view of taxes is broad and includes sales taxes, property taxes (incl, that paid indirectly by renters), payroll withholding for Soc/Med and if you do that, the poorest 25% does pay a reasonable share compared to the other quartiles. With a broad brush, about the only folks that avoid skin in the game are the uber rich (>$50m) who ”hide” wealth as unrealized gains and live lavish lifestyles using “borrowed money” instead of generating income. I would guess 95% if Americans have skin in the game relatively connected to their income/wealth. There is probably a bottom 5% who pays almost none and a top 0.01% that does the same. Our focus on fed income tax skews perceptions of tax base.
VikingsGuy
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Come on dude - it is a Wednesday - I ain’t doing math basis an unclearly labeled 6th column in 6pt font.
