Venting

[SaskHunter]

Funny, just yesterday I posted on a different thread how some hunters are the worst kind of people out there...

 

[Addicting]

Just an FYI… If it’s truly a shared driveway, I have never seen an easement agreement that allows one party with rights to the driveway to determine whom the other party with rights to the driveway may or may not allow to use the driveway.

The first half is on his side then it transitions to her side half way back. I think it was just a neighbor deal of where it worked best for the last 50 years.

She has my son mow it, guess that will come to an end. She will have to mow it herself as he clearly told me we are not allowed on his property any longer.

 

[kodiakisland]

Unfortunately what you describe is the new country. Large farms being broken up into smaller tracts. Homes going up everywhere. City folks moving to the country and bringing their “city” attitude with them.

Used to be 40 acres was a starter farm. Now it’s a large tract. Nothing is like it was.

I’ve had the run of 200+ acres the last 18 years that I can shoot and hunt on any time I want. The owner is 78. When he is gone the kids most likely will subdivide and sell. I’m currently looking for a decent 40acre parcel to buy for my future hunting.

Then I’ll have to deal with the guy who claims he’s always been allowed to hunt there. Have stuff torn up or stolen. Deal with armed assholes when all I want to do is hunt my land.

 

[Addicting]

I’m currently looking for a decent 40acre parcel to buy for my future hunting.

That will be minimum of 200k by me. Hence my housing thread, we are doing well for ourselves. But even with that we cannot afford to have a hunting property. Those days for the common man are mostly gone. That is unless you want one of the new 50 year 6.5% mortgages.

 

[Irrelevant]

The first half is on his side then it transitions to her side half way back. I think it was just a neighbor deal of where it worked best for the last 50 years.

She has my son mow it, guess that will come to an end. She will have to mow it herself as he clearly told me we are not allowed on his property any longer.

Gomer is right. He can't say that. Even if there is no formal easement, it's been acquired through mutual acquiescence. But, it might/will be messy/expensive to prove it.

 

[Addicting]

Gomer is right. He can't say that. Even if there is no formal easement, it's been acquired through mutual acquiescence. But, it might/will be messy/expensive to prove it.

Does not matter. I explained everything to my son as best I could to a 11 year old. Told him he would have to anchor any deer with a high shoulder. Explained the ramifications of what would happen if he made a bad shot being on a small parcel. Also the biggest we have seen is a 6 point. EHD hit this area hard.

Gave him the option of going north to public and exploring. The safety concerns with how crowded it would be. EHD didn’t hit that area as hard. There is a possibility of a bigger deer but it would be more road hunting as we figure out where everything is. OnX doesn’t help with prescouting as much. There will be several hunters in each square mile. Our population is high and it is the only public for quite a ways. Last time I went up there was during a muzzleloader hunt. The boundary of a good area looked reminiscent of civil war line volleys. The deer ran down the line and you saw puff of smoke every 20-30’. It was enough for me to turn back around and drive home.

Gave him another option of another small private parcel but there is only a couple small spikes and a hand full of does hanging out there. Friend hunted it all archery and never saw any other bucks. EHD hit it hard last year. He would have an opportunity at one of the spikes in a food plot.


He struggled but made a decision I am proud of. He chose to go watch his sister bowl. He has already killed an elk. The risks payed out are not worth the reward of a 1.5 year old buck. He would rather let these grow and let the area recover from the EHD losses. The public is something we can check out during the week when it’s not as crowded and interactions won’t have to be rushed.

 

[Irrelevant]

Does not matter. I explained everything to my son as best I could to a 11 year old. Told him he would have to anchor any deer with a high shoulder. Explained the ramifications of what would happen if he made a bad shot being on a small parcel. Also the biggest we have seen is a 6 point. EHD hit this area hard.

Gave him the option of going north to public and exploring. The safety concerns with how crowded it would be. EHD didn’t hit that area as hard. There is a possibility of a bigger deer but it would be more road hunting as we figure out where everything is. OnX doesn’t help with prescouting as much. There will be several hunters in each square mile. Our population is high and it is the only public for quite a ways. Last time I went up there was during a muzzleloader hunt. The boundary of a good area looked reminiscent of civil war line volleys. The deer ran down the line and you saw puff of smoke every 20-30’. It was enough for me to turn back around and drive home.

Gave him another option of another small private parcel but there is only a couple small spikes and a hand full of does hanging out there. Friend hunted it all archery and never saw any other bucks. EHD hit it hard last year. He would have an opportunity at one of the spikes in a food plot.


He struggled but made a decision I am proud of. He chose to go watch his sister bowl. He has already killed an elk. The risks payed out are not worth the reward of a 1.5 year old buck. He would rather let these grow and let the area recover from the EHD losses. The public is something we can check out during the week when it’s not as crowded and interactions won’t have to be rushed.

I just mean if you wanted to keep mowing the elderly lady's driveway. He can't keep you from helping her.

 

[Dave N]

Sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders.

 

[Addicting]

I just mean if you wanted to keep mowing the elderly lady's driveway. He can't keep you from helping her.

It’s not her main drive. Hers is paved. This is the just the shared access to the back of her property. He has asparagus and planted it right up to the property line. So his road then transitions on to hers. He uses it as if it was his own. All of us used it to get to the back. Otherwise you would have to drive thru her lawn.

 

[Mallardsx2]

Sounds like pretty standard deer season bullshit to me.

 

[Pucky Freak]

I had permission on two adjacent parcels on the edge of town. Same deal, some is in city limits where no firearms are allowed, and also 200 yards away from inhabited structures. Technically possible in a tight space to discharge a firearm, but neighbors complain about their kids and dogs being outside, scared, not safe, etc.

I just archery hunted it. Maybe 3 acres bedding. Deer move from there to corn, and you hunt as they filter between the two areas dawn and dusk.

2nd year LO’s son comes unglued after I shot a buck. LO didn’t care, as long as I also did doe control (which I did). That was 3-4 years ago, very rarely do I hunt private anymore.

No matter how nice the LO is, as another forum member put it, you’re always dealing with/ “new permission, old permission, and no permission” among other hunters.

I’d rather risk it on public where there is less squabbling about who gets to hunt where and when. Sometimes that means skipping a couple areas b/c there are rigs there and I hunt plan C.

 

[Khunter]

It’s not her main drive. Hers is paved. This is the just the shared access to the back of her property. He has asparagus and planted it right up to the property line. So his road then transitions on to hers. He uses it as if it was his own. All of us used it to get to the back. Otherwise you would have to drive thru her lawn.

Why not walk through her lawn to the hunt area? How many feet/miles to simply walk in from her paved drive? Although first impulse is F that place altogether, life is too short to hold yourself hostage to the small place with small deer and too many headaches. If you have to pay to hunt other, better, land, do that for your kid.

 

[Addicting]

Why not walk through her lawn to the hunt area? How many feet/miles to simply walk in from her paved drive? Although first impulse is F that place altogether, life is too short to hold yourself hostage to the small place with small deer and too many headaches. If you have to pay to hunt other, better, land, do that for your kid.

Walking in isn’t an issue at all. It was just for the last 8 years no one really cared, everyone got along. Last year we hunted it a few times late season and I shot a deer. This year my boy is old enough and had a specific goal of the buck pole.

As far as getting out the check book. I can buy a guided hunt on a Texas ranch and shoot big bucks for what a lease cost.

High population, limited public, bad economy for farmers, remote corporate land owners, and small parcels.( less than 100 acres) all add up to very limited opportunities.

So anyone with the means is leasing what ever is offered up. To get ahead of that your check better have some extra zeros.

Southern MI deer hunting is why a lot of us take up fishing.

 

[Pennsylvania Possie]

Trying to teach kids how to be respectful and hunt legally in small acre private is tough. A 20 acre parcel here is huge. Houses are everywhere and you have to be 150 yards from any structure.

My kids have permission from a nice older landowner. We take care of her lawn all year long. It is less than a 1/2 mile from the house so the kids can go pretty easily.

The neighbor has 20 acres and 10 of it is bedding area. Most of the 10 is not legal to hunt because of the 150 yard rule. The other 10 is just tall weeds you can’t see thru.

There is a strip of farmed ground 2-3 acres that the deer feed into first on the 20 acres parcel.

Then the deer filter thru the 10 acres where my kids are on their way to corn fields. Vise versa in the mornings.

Tried to be neighborly and coordinate opening day so it is safe. Just got old curmudgeon’s response of how his son in law and his friends are hunting and we shouldn’t be on that 10 acres because it’s not kosher to his SIL. He has been there for three years and that somehow ranks better than private property laws and permission on the 10 acres parcel.

Hard to be excited for my kids to hunt with that kind of negativity around. Can’t wait to move away from this mess and get westward where there is ample public land.

Kinda on the same page! I recently went to Colorado for mule deer and elk. What a shitty experience. My son shot a mule deer that was supposedly infected with CWD? So, Colorado tells you to throw the animal away. But, they won’t refund you or give you a new tag. What a bunch of horse shit. Also, I picked up a OTC bull tag and for three days and never saw an elk. I am here to tell you; I don’t just sit along a roadway. I put at least 6 miles on foot day two and probably 4 miles day three and never saw an elk and very little signs. I’ve hunted Colorado quite a few times and it’s gotten very bad. I’ve hunted different parts of the state as well. Right now, unless you want to pay a private ranch, Colorado is terrible to hunt. It’s a shame because they have all that public land!

 

[Addicting]

Sounds like pretty standard deer season bullshit to me.

So all that BS and no one hunted either parcel this morning. His over reaction and curmudgeons ruined it for everyone.

Meanwhile he is in his stand miles away.

 

[Mallardsx2]

So all that BS and no one hunted either parcel this morning. His over reaction and curmudgeons ruined it for everyone.

Meanwhile he is in his stand miles away.

I’m not at all surprised.

Take the high road and go hunt somewhere else with your family. I hope you guys do good no matter where you end up.

 

[Gellar]

Edit, because I found where you explained the ownership.

Whose property is the shared driveway on? Is the old lady the landowner or have an easement? Even if there is one that hasn’t ever been recorded it could still stand.

I manage a piece of public ground that has a shared driveway with the neighbor. the driveway is through his land but we do ALL the maintenance on the road that he is using to access his private campground. Earlier this year he got denied a variance to add additional campsites on his land within the setback of the property line. As retribution to towards the county he decided he was going to gate the access and block the public access. A county supervisor, who absolutely hates public land and my department actually told the guy he can’t do that and let me know about his intentions. I had to go back to the 1950s to find the original deed but there was an easement for public use when we acquired the parcel that was never recorded. It is now!