WapitiBob
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Nothing new, nmwf has been chirping about this for over a decade.
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So move UW tags into the draw. It won't be much of a bump in draw odds but every little bit helps. Make ranch only tags non-transferrable or sellable to residents only. That won't make BHA and NMWF happy because they want those tags in the draw.2,638 of the 15,356 EPlus authorizations are for unit wide tags. 17.1%.
So 82.9% of them are ranch only.
Same here. That’s why I think it’s so important Montana never goes this way.The thing I take away most from the New Mexico situation is that once you privatize elk there’s a hell of a lot of arguments to keep it that way from a hell of a lot of people.
Me.So idk I'm not real smart when it comes to this stuff but the part I don't like is a UW tag being sold off of a especially a small piece of private and whoever buys that tag gets to hunt the whole national with it when that tag was a original for a private land owner, which I know then anyone with a draw tag can hunt his land. But who's gonna go hunt is 20acres or his 50 acres when you got a whole unit of public that is prime land when his lil piece of private is on the edge of it? Also I know there are way bigger pieces of land that are in the UW deal... And I dont really care to see them cut the regular nonresident draw cuz that just hurts you NRs that are just like me and can't afford the high paying hunts. I say cut outfitter draw tags out and throw it in the regular draw. And make these UW tags where they can only be hunted on private land that is in the UW program and make it Unit Wide Private Land Only.
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. 13 acres does not seem to be too heavy of a lift... What is the bottom threshold for getting a Landowner tag?Holleee smokes! I just looked up the cost of a landowner tag and you could get 13 acres paid off pretty quick with the going rate for those things.
If it's about money and only money, then all the tags should go to the highest bidder, R or NR doesn't matter. Then we'd turn a public resource and a public trust manager into a commodity and profiteer for the benefit of whom?Yes, but those 11,000+ landowner and outfitter tags going to nonresidents generate $650ish probably on average for the department of game and fish. The same tags going to residents would generate $90. Well over $5,000,000 more for the game and fish selling them to nonresidents.
My beef w/ NM and any similar program in another state is the benefits of the trust are often funneled to special interests rather than to ALL residents. Outfitters, landowners, politicians that get contributions from them, and their allies get huge slices of the pie while a non-hunting urbanite of Santa Fe gets what? If the elk belong to all, there should be trust administration that ensures all benefit. But the trustees overwhelmingly sold out for personal gain, and now a “reasonable” change threatens the “essential” mini-economy of the part of ranching/outfitting fed on a public trustIf the mission is to do something like "maximize wildlife and habitat and the economic benefits thereof" then maybe the eplus program makes sense.
Halfsies? We might even be able to get a whole 14 acres.This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. 13 acres does not seem to be too heavy of a lift... What is the bottom threshold for getting a Landowner tag?
If the mission is to do something like "maximize wildlife and habitat and the economic benefits thereof" then maybe the eplus program makes sense. B
I was participating in a stakeholder meeting re: allocation back in 2015 or so (because we've discussed it forever and haven't done anything yet), and was struck by a comment from a rancher/farmer that went unchallenged. He said that any discussion about reducing the landowner allocation in the state was off the table, because that would constitute a taking by the government.The thing I take away most from the New Mexico situation is that once you privatize elk there’s a hell of a lot of arguments to keep it that way from a hell of a lot of people.
The newest(finally) science used and the grading system of applicants into the E-plus program have been set and there are standards. Now after the rewriting/modifications were made 4 years ago. Due for it again soon. That has brought this subject back up.This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. 13 acres does not seem to be too heavy of a lift... What is the bottom threshold for getting a Landowner tag?