Hunt Talk Radio - Look for it on your favorite Podcast platform

Smoke-free zones extend outdoors

ELKCHSR

New member
Joined
Nov 28, 2001
Messages
13,765
Location
Montana
I'm not a smoker, but this is going far beyond the bounds of what is right and wrong....

Smoke-free zones extend outdoors
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY


Smoking bans are moving outdoors, challenging the rights of smokers who puff outside buildings and on sidewalks.


On Tuesday, Washington state voters will consider the first statewide ban on smoking within 25 feet of buildings that prohibit smoking. That would mean lighting up near offices, stores, theaters, restaurants and government buildings could bring a $100 fine.


The effort follows widespread success of indoor smoking bans by more than 2,000 cities and towns. The Chicago City Council is considering banning indoor smoking in all public places. New York City, Austin and Columbus, Ohio, already have.


Limits on smoking outdoors have taken off in the past two years, says Maggie Hopkins of the American Non-smokers' Rights Foundation. She says restrictions are in effect in 361 communities. The laws threaten to make it even harder to smoke during the workday or a night on the town. Among developments:


• California now bans smoking on many beaches. In September, Orange County became the nation's first county to ban smoking along its entire coast. San Francisco banned smoking in parks July 1.


• Local governments in Alabama, Ohio and Indiana are expected to vote this month on outdoor smoking rules that would push smokers 10 to 25 feet away from buildings. A proposal in West Lafayette, Ind., is typical: It would ban smoking within 15 feet of entrances and at ATMs and bus stops.


• Iowa hospitals are banning smoking anywhere on their grounds, a move supported by the Iowa Hospital Association. Even smoking inside a car in a parking lot will be prohibited at many hospitals.


"We feel an obligation, as a health care leader, to set high standards for a safe and healthy environment," says Sid Ramsey, vice president of Iowa Health System, which owns three hospitals and will ban outdoor smoking starting in July.


The hospitals' 5,300 employees will be forbidden from smoking anywhere during work hours. Patients and visitors will have to trek off hospital grounds - one campus is 44 acres - to smoke.


Smokers' rights advocates say outdoor bans go too far. "People should have a choice whether they want to engage in risky activities," says pipe smoker Jacob Sullum, author of For Your Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and the Tyranny of Public Health.


"If you ban smoking outside near a door or window, essentially you have no place to smoke except your own home - and maybe not even there," Sullum says. "What's next? Smoking in a house with children will be considered child abuse. Smoking around pets will be cruel to animals."
 
Some of that is a little extreme, but it never ceases to amaze me when walking out of a non smoking area that within 3 feet of the door there are 20 people smoking and blowing smoke on everyone who walks by. That is probably why these type of things happen. Many Smokers don't have the common sense (or don't give a crap) to know to move down a little from the doorway of a non-smoking area.
 
A little accomodation on both sides would solve the problem. I once set up a gazebo-tent over one of the picnic benches outside so the smokers would have a covered place to smoke since they could no longer smoke inside. The idea was to give them shelter from the rain or sun. The next day, non-smokers took it over and complained about the smoke. I told them that they had the choice of going inside, while the smokers were banned to the outside of the building, so get over it.

Part of the idea, too, was to move the smokers away from the overhang by the door - the only other shelter available.
 
It's a nasty, unhealthy, and imprudent habit...damn, it would almost have to make you feel good just by definition. :eek: ;)
 
I smoked for alot of years firsthand. Then I quit. I just do not believe I should have to breathe it second hand. Smoking will certainly shorten the lives of those who do it-even the lives of some of those who's only exposure is second hand. Now if I can be rediculous for a moment... farting and smelling farts will not shorten anyones life(so far no scientific data), however, were I to stand in the smoking section and brake wind, I would be the bad guy for making them uncomfortable.
Smoking is certainly not a constitutional right. Smoking has no beneficial value. I will not support an accross the board ban, but I do not mind moving it behind closed doors.
 
There are a lot of things that are not specifically listed in the Constitution as rights - hunting, for example, is not a right. Just because it is not listed in the Constitution just not mean it can or should be eliminated just because some or even the majority don't like it. The whole point of the Constitution and the concept of "rights" is the protection of the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

I don't like chewing tobacco, cheap cigars or cheap wine - but I don't think I have to call for a ban of any of those. How about ugly people? Can't we make them cover themselves up?
 
Too many do gooders who think they should rule everyone else. I gave up smoking years ago and took up a healthy habit-Skoal. I had a guy outside a hospital watching me spit and said it was a non-tobacco use area. Told him if he came close enough I would share a little spit with him. I prefer not to stand next to a smoker and figure the restaurant ban is fine but when employers start firing people who smoke at their own home so they can save on the company insurance then liberty took a wrong turn IMO.
 
I just think it is a hoot how criminalized smoking has become. Seriously either ban it all together and get it over with or knock off the psychotic legislation every few months.

For instance, I think the fact that cigarette companies are forced to run anti-smoking commercials is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Why doesn't Krispy Kreme have to run diet commercials? That'll kill you too. :rolleyes:

I just heard today that the university I attend is trying to become the first non-private university to be entirely smoke-free. Should be interesting to see if that one passes. Somehow I doubt it. As it is, either way, it won't affect me.
 
Caribou Gear

Forum statistics

Threads
115,557
Messages
2,101,478
Members
37,185
Latest member
rakusak
Back
Top