RIP Charlie Kirk

[jryoung]

Why are we trying to force the 99% to be accepting of the 1%

I'm not sure why you chose the word force. But California has a a population of 39.5M, 250k or 0.6% buy hunting licenses. I don't believe we are trying to force anyone to accept hunting, but rather understand and appreciate the benefits we bring to our environment, research and culture. I'll be on a call in 45min to advance big game hunting opportunites, specifically bear hunting in this state. I'm certain there will be groups spewing hatred, vitriol towards hunters for the lifestyle we live.

 

[PoleX]

I'm not sure why you chose the word force. But California has a a population of 39.5M, 250k or 0.6% buy hunting licenses. I don't believe we are trying to force anyone to accept hunting, but rather understand and appreciate the benefits we bring to our environment, research and culture. I'll be on a call in 45min to advance big game hunting opportunites, specifically bear hunting in this state. I'm certain there will be groups spewing hatred, vitriol towards hunters for the lifestyle we live.

Yeah, I'm not blessed with the gift of gab. Shoot holes in the technicalities of my comment if you wish. I think my point will be understood by most.

 

[Lostinthewoods]

We’ve been on track-ish so far minus a few course corrections. Keep it that way.

 

[lastlight]

Did anyone else see a picture of a brown wood stock rifle with a silencer held by a police officer yesterday? They said that was the weapon. Now today it’s a different rifle black synthetic stock and no silencer. Either I am victim of being fooled by misleading media/photos/reports or this is another agency conspiracy like the Trump shooter.

 

[Forkyfinder]

One thing this event did - it immediately sorted people who have taken their politics and anger to unhealthy levels. I dont have much interest in conversing with someone who sees "irony" in his pro 2a stance, or who implies he "had it coming", or whatever else. Frankly, i dont even want to be fellow citizens with someone who thinks like that.

When people tell you who they are - you have to listen.

For good news - corporate at msnbc decided to take some trash out.

MSNBC fires analyst Matthew Dowd over Charlie Kirk shooting remarks

Dowd said the slain activist’s words may have fueled the violence that claimed his life, sparking backlash

www.theguardian.com

 

[Stocker]

It’s societal decay, human nature, etc. As much as people want to argue every civilization has gone through this. Society gets to a point where it’s so comfortable and has so few problems it begins to think it’s the creator and self destructs.The majority of people living in this country today want to have the easiest life possible with no troubles, and in the grand scheme of things most people do.

When you don’t have to fight and struggle for food, shelter, a living, you don’t see horrible things, you have no reason to pray to GOD and you believe man is in control and the creator of everything. You end up with no purpose and just an ideology, and when you are just an ideology anything that is against that is evil and you get celebrated by others with that ideology for doing evil things to the opposing side.


Ideologies have fought since the dawn of man, but when you don’t know there’s a power beyond man then there’s no restraint.

 

[DFS]

We’ve been on track-ish so far minus a few course corrections. Keep it that way.

Maybe I was wrong.

 

[INMT]

Did anyone else see a picture of a brown wood stock rifle with a silencer held by a police officer yesterday? They said that was the weapon. Now today it’s a different rifle black synthetic stock and no silencer. Either I am victim of being fooled by misleading media/photos/reports or this is another agency conspiracy like the Trump shooter.

You certainly could’ve been fooled in this day and age with the rate that misinformation spreads.

Like the post on X that over 3 million people viewed claiming the suspect was caught. Named him and called him a democrat from UT. When in fact the name and picture was of a Canadian in Toronto but, he resembled one of the suspects. False information spreads fast these days.

From the video I sure didn’t think it sounded like the rifle was suppressed. My first thought was that was an unsupressed rifle.

 

[Oak]

Did anyone else see a picture of a brown wood stock rifle with a silencer held by a police officer yesterday? They said that was the weapon. Now today it’s a different rifle black synthetic stock and no silencer. Either I am victim of being fooled by misleading media/photos/reports or this is another agency conspiracy like the Trump shooter.

Everyone rushes to post every shred of information gleaned instantly, in an effort gain the clicks. That was a subject in the area that was carrying a pellet gun who was questioned and released.

 

[jryoung]

Yeah, I'm not blessed with the gift of gab. Shoot holes in the technicalities of my comment if you wish. I think my point will be understood by most.

Not shooting holes at all, it simply struck me as I'm about to go to a meeting as an extreme minority and try and convince others of my value and fight to continue my pursuits (for myself and others) that are so deeply ingrained in me. There are many that don't see that value and want to go so far as to take away (force) that part of me.

 

[lastlight]

Everyone rushes to post every shred of information gleaned instantly, in an effort gain the clicks. That was a subject in the area that was carrying a pellet gun who was questioned and released.

Ahh thank you! Makes sense because that did look like a pellet gun. Thanks again

 

[David Gough]

With a one year old at home it's scary to think of the world we are raising him in.

I'm optimistic that this tragic event will have a unifying effect on our country, but the rational side of my brain thinks it will only tear us apart further. Our elected officials and mainstream media will only polarize us further. We need unifying leadership at every level of government.

I can't imagine what Charlie Kirk's and Melissa Hortman's families are going through. No child should have to endure their parent being assassinated, nor should their parents have the bury their child when someone else disagrees with them.

I've watched several different angles of the shot and I can only hope Charlie lost consciousness before he fell off his chair. It's brutal and I wouldn't recommend people seek it out.

 

[SAJ-99]

For good news - corporate at msnbc decided to take some trash out.

Different 1st amendment rules I guess when you are spinning off a company and need regulatory approval.

 

[PoleX]

Not shooting holes at all, it simply struck me as I'm about to go to a meeting as an extreme minority and try and convince others of my value and fight to continue my pursuits (for myself and others) that are so deeply ingrained in me. There are many that don't see that value and want to go so far as to take away (force) that part of me.

I have some examples but not sure they'd be conducive to reasonable dialog on this forum. I'll try and be as PG as I can in explaining my choice of words earlier and leave it at this.

I've worked on farms, factories, fast food joints, grocery stores, ect from the time I was 12 and could only ride my bike or get picked up by a co-worker to get to my place of employment. I've noticed a big change in the corporate trainings and onboarding programs over my working life. It used to be skill based assessments that got you the job. Then you'd go through some basic harassment, safety, HazMat training and you were off to adding value to the company. Treat others like you want to be treated and add value. There was a change that occurred and I suddenly find myself in required annual trainings on topics I don't agree with or understand the value it brings to the skillset they're paying me to perform. Yeah I could just go somewhere else, but good luck finding a company that hasn't given into this model. It has been interesting to see much of that suddenly went away....

My wife ran college track for the UofM. She was a very dedicated athlete and excelled from the hard work she put into it. She had the second fastest time in Ohio history coming out of high school in the 800 meter. She has strong opinions on another example (I could go into more detail on but rather not) where an entire class of athletes are being asked to compromise their core values in the name of accepting others. I think forced is a reasonable choice of words but also understand that many don't see things from my perspective. So sorry to those I've offended, Just wanted to do a final reply to @jryoung. That'll be it on these political threads for me, already learned my lesson and should of kept to myself.

 

[Irrelevant]

We do not want our children to live in a country where political division is resolved with guns and blood. Because very quickly, our children are no longer in a country, and many are no longer living.

Sorry Bret, but I take issue with your comment. Somewhere in middle school, we all learned about the single bloodiest American war... the Civil War, where we frickin' fought each other, brother against brother, father against son, often killing with GD bayonets. So to portray the current event/s as somehow deteriorating from a prior, higher, morally righteous societal position, I find it to be disengenuous. You live in a country that, I'll go out on a limb here, prides itself on political violence; your kids will live in that country, and your grandkids will live in that country. This isn't a one-off. We've literally had a steady stream of political violence for our entire existence as a country, often significantly worse that what we're seeing now. Does that make it right? Of course not. It's still a terrible act. But it's not new, it's the norm, and it's not going to go away.

And the reason I take a public stance against it is that any comments, from the media or others, that portray these tragedies as some form of societal decay from a previous "better" position, by default, alludes to a "new" or "worsening" problem, that then 100% feeds back into the hatred that we've been conditioned to have based on our perception of the problem. You can clearly see this on both sides, acting as a positive feedback loop of discontent and hatred.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Different 1st amendment rules I guess when you are spinning off a company and need regulatory approval.

The first amendment isnt about keeping people employed.

 

[406dn]

I am older than most on this board. When JFK was assassinated, I was a 7th grade student. The principal announced on the intercom that the president had been shot in Dallas. Some time later it was announced he had died. The bus ride home was absent the normal banter that occurs. It really struck me watching JFK's son saluting his fathers casket, so profoundly sad.

Shortly before JFK was shot, Medger Evers was shot outside of his home. While I heard about it, my juvenile mind put it to the side. Before I was out of high school, there were many assassinations. RFK, MLK, Malcom X. Shortly after that George Wallace was shot and wounded.

There were two attempts on Gerald Ford's life on the heels of the Watergate scandal. Then, in 81 Reagan was shot.

All of this to say, we have always been capable of political violence. There had been until more recently a grace period of sorts. I am fearful that we are entering another dark period. There have been several close calls for politicians on each side of the political spectrum. Giffords and Scalise suffered life altering injuries. Nancy Pelosi's husband had his skull fractured with a hammer.

I don't know where it goes from here, but it could be bad. For myself, I'll continue to treat people the way I'd like to be treated, and hope we can come to our senses.

 

[BRI]

A terrible sad tragedy. As I reflect on the events that unfolded, 24 years ago today, and unified (at least IMO) the country for a brief period. I wonder how the divided sides would react today under that scenario. I think I know and it makes me sad to think that.

 

[mevertsen]

I am older than most on this board. When JFK was assassinated, I was a 7th grade student. The principal announced on the intercom that the president had been shot in Dallas. Some time later it was announced he had died. The bus ride home was absent the normal banter that occurs. It really struck me watching JFK's son saluting his fathers casket, so profoundly sad.

Shortly before JFK was shot, Medger Evers was shot outside of his home. While I heard about it, my juvenile mind put it to the side. Before I was out of high school, there were many assassinations. RFK, MLK, Malcom X. Shortly after that George Wallace was shot and wounded.

There were two attempts on Gerald Ford's life on the heels of the Watergate scandal. Then, in 81 Reagan was shot.

All of this to say, we have always been capable of political violence. There had been until more recently a grace period of sorts. I am fearful that we are entering another dark period. There have been several close calls for politicians on each side of the political spectrum. Giffords and Scalise suffered life altering injuries. Nancy Pelosi's husband had his skull fractured with a hammer.

I don't know it goes from here, but it could be bad. For myself, I'll continue to treat people the way I'd like to be treated, and hope we can come to our senses.

Thanks for putting this into words.

I did not know who Kirk was until yesterday, had never heard of him.

As I was thinking this morning, I came to the conclusion that this is actually normal. Sad, unjustified, sickening, but normal. We've had this violence since the inception of our country. All those people you listed and more.

I agree that we may be entering another dark period.

 

[Matthew57]

Sorry Bret, but I take issue with your comment. Somewhere in middle school, we all learned about the single bloodiest American war... the Civil War, where we frickin' fought each other, brother against brother, father against son, often killing with GD bayonets. So to portray the current event/s as somehow deteriorating from a prior, higher, morally righteous societal position, I find it to be disengenuous. You live in a country that, I'll go out on a limb here, prides itself on political violence; your kids will live in that country, and your grandkids will live in that country. This isn't a one-off. We've literally had a steady stream of political violence for our entire existence as a country, often significantly worse that what we're seeing now. Does that make it right? Of course not. It's still a terrible act. But it's not new, it's the norm, and it's not going to go away.

And the reason I take a public stance against it is that any comments, from the media or others, that portray these tragedies as some form of societal decay from a previous "better" position, by default, alludes to a "new" or "worsening" problem, that then 100% feeds back into the hatred that we've been conditioned to have based on our perception of the problem. You can clearly see this on both sides, acting as a positive feedback loop of discontent and hatred.

Interesting take. I'll just say over my lifetime i've felt a continual sense of societal decay. Perhaps, however, that's more the product of a growing awareness.