Relax, Everything is Going to be Okay!

[INMT]

Over 1/2 a million dollar home!!!!! Seems about right. We don’t want to lower home prices though. People might lose a little wealth.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1154-3rd-Street-West-N-Columbia-Falls-MT-59912/459846419_zpid/?rtoken=1570983d-97c0-4591-b0e2-d7b5c3cdb2c8~X1-ZU11a9s6wbjbz0p_2nint&utm_campaign=emo-dailysavedsearch&utm_source=email&utm_term=urn%3Amsg%3A20260207024500aac7ee0f6bbddde9&utm_medium=email&utm_content=forsaleimage&sse=X1-SS1dm3czfmmjvp1000000000_1u0pg

 

[Hem]

Over 1/2 a million dollar home!!!!! Seems about right. We don’t want to lower home prices though. People might lose a little wealth.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1154-3rd-Street-West-N-Columbia-Falls-MT-59912/459846419_zpid/?rtoken=1570983d-97c0-4591-b0e2-d7b5c3cdb2c8~X1-ZU11a9s6wbjbz0p_2nint&utm_campaign=emo-dailysavedsearch&utm_source=email&utm_term=urn%3Amsg%3A20260207024500aac7ee0f6bbddde9&utm_medium=email&utm_content=forsaleimage&sse=X1-SS1dm3czfmmjvp1000000000_1u0pg

I didnt get past the very first photo on Zillow^
Jeezus.

 

[INMT]

I didnt get past the very first photo on Zillow^
Jeezus.

It is on a .52 acre lot. So it has that going for it.

 

[BrentD]

It is on a .52 acre lot. So it has that going for it.

Not all acres are created equal. If it's not worth that much money, it will not sell for that much money.

 

[Hem]

It is on a .52 acre lot. So it has that going for it.

You know what?...that dwelling will be worth what it sells for, just like everything else.

 

[BrentD]

You know what?...that dwelling will be worth what it sells for, just like everything else.

I think someone just said that.

 

[brymoore]

I’d buy that property like a corporate raider. Split it up to maximize value. Mobile home is removed and sold down the road. Property is split into minimum sized lots and sold at a premium.

 

[Hem]

I think someone just said that.

Was it sold for that price?

 

[INMT]

You know what?...that dwelling will be worth what it sells for, just like everything else.

Unfortunately you’re right.

In a not to distant past, around here, a $500,000 home was a legacy property one could only dream of.

Now it’s a remodeled manufactured home.

 

[sapperJ24]

I found this little tidbit to be interesting. Received this link from a "middle of the road democrat" (his term) friend of mine since I don't do the social media thing, other than HT on occasion. Some will dismiss it as being cherry picking. Perhaps it is, I haven't seen the whole episode and don't know who the X poster is. Others will see its as a microcosm of what is wrong in the political discourse in the US; gross ignorance and/or elitist and condescending attitudes. All depends on the tribe you identify with. I may have misinterpreted, but your comment reminded me of this clip and the aforementioned attitude.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2019219281528123882

Assuming the abilities of someone because of their skin color is a shitty move, certainly ignorant and elitist, stereotyping at best and racist at worst. I think it goes without saying that it is a pretty ludicrous statement to say that Black people don't know how to use the internet.

To clear up a few things, I don't have a tribe, and when I made my comment, I specifically had women voters in mind, like my wife. I intended my comment to reference opposition to the SAVE Act from women voters, I should not have quoted the part about Jim Crow 2.0 which I left for broader context. So I'll give you the misinterpretation. To prevent further misinterpretation, with very few exceptions, I am not in the business of speaking for others.

It took my wife just under a year to receive the necessary documents to update her name on a passport renewal. This isn't because she is lazy or not willing to put in the effort, it was because it took the local government 10 months to mail the certified copy she paid for and had requested months prior. Having lived on a tight budget in prior days, I have additional concerns with the costs incurred for getting these documents or applying for a passport for the many Americans currently struggling to make ends meet.

You can see my previous comments in the thread around here: https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/relax-everything-is-going-to-be-okay.328164/post-4022523

Happy to clear up any other misinterpretations!

 

[Hem]

Unfortunately you’re right.

In a not to distant past, around here, a $500,000 home was a legacy property one could only dream of.

Now it’s a remodeled manufactured home.

My point was, nothing has a true value until it actually sells. Asking price doesnt mean diddly....unfortunately that's the Montana trend right now.
This case in point^ is a hilarious example.
But some chump might buy it.

 

[sapperJ24]

Unfortunately you’re right.

In a not to distant past, around here, a $500,000 home was a legacy property one could only dream of.

Now it’s a remodeled manufactured home.

Wait are you guys suggesting that $3,180 monthly mortgage for a manufactured home isn't a good deal?

 

[INMT]

Wait are you guys suggesting that $3,180 monthly mortgage for a manufactured home isn't a good deal?

My apologies if that’s your listing. Wasn’t trying lowball your future fortune!

 

[INMT]

My point was, nothing has a true value until it actually sells. Asking price doesnt mean diddly....unfortunately that's the Montana trend right now.
This case in point^ is a hilarious example.
But some chump might buy it.

I get what you were saying. And unfortunately around here chumps have been buying chit like this. Hence the reason they’re being listed stupidly high.

Things are cooling a bit and I suspect this will be on the market a LONG time.

 

[Hem]

I get what you were saying. And unfortunately around here chumps have been buying chit like this. Hence the reason they’re being listed stupidly high.

Things are cooling a bit and I suspect this will be on the market a LONG time.

Hope so.
Market needs to correct.

 

[Alpine01]

Assuming the abilities of someone because of their skin color is a shitty move, certainly ignorant and elitist, stereotyping at best and racist at worst. I think it goes without saying that it is a pretty ludicrous statement to say that Black people don't know how to use the internet.

To clear up a few things, I don't have a tribe, and when I made my comment, I specifically had women voters in mind, like my wife. I intended my comment to reference opposition to the SAVE Act from women voters, I should not have quoted the part about Jim Crow 2.0 which I left for broader context. So I'll give you the misinterpretation. To prevent further misinterpretation, with very few exceptions, I am not in the business of speaking for others.

It took my wife just under a year to receive the necessary documents to update her name on a passport renewal. This isn't because she is lazy or not willing to put in the effort, it was because it took the local government 10 months to mail the certified copy she paid for and had requested months prior. Having lived on a tight budget in prior days, I have additional concerns with the costs incurred for getting these documents or applying for a passport for the many Americans currently struggling to make ends meet.

You can see my previous comments in the thread around here: https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/relax-everything-is-going-to-be-okay.328164/post-4022523

Happy to clear up any other misinterpretations!

Fair enough. But using the logistical problems your wife encountered as a basis for an opinion that voter ID will "disenfranchise millions of american" (sic) is more than a bit of a stretch. If millions of americans can't get a voter ID because local (or state or federal) government is that inept/irresponsible with respect to processing paperwork requests, then we have a far bigger problem than voter ID. And to be sure, the processing delays your wife experienced can easily be experienced by a man (and not just middle class white dudes) looking to get an official birth certificate or other similar government issued document. So not sure why only women voters would be more impacted than 'men' voters.

I recently took both of my parents in to get RealIDs in Arizona. It took one hour and $25 each to get just an AZ state-issued ID that fully meets any Voter ID requirement that has been proposed. AZ may be cheap compared to other states so this may be a unique, one-off, case but I find it to be a hollow argument that cost of an ID is prohibitive and disenfranchising in nature. YMMV.

 

[Wildabeest]

then we have a far bigger problem than voter ID.

We do. I wish they would focus on them.

 

[Wildabeest]

AZ state-issued ID that fully meets any Voter ID requirement that has been proposed.

Are you sure about that? I find it wiser to go by what the proposed legislation actually says vs. what they are telling you it does or doesn’t do.

AI Overview

An Arizona (AZ) Real ID, known as the Arizona Travel ID, does not directly indicate U.S. citizenship. While it requires proof of lawful presence, it is issued to U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, and some non-immigrants with valid work authorization, confirming identity and legal residency, not citizenship status.

 

[sapperJ24]

Fair enough. But using the logistical problems your wife encountered as a basis for an opinion that voter ID will "disenfranchise millions of american" (sic) is more than a bit of a stretch. If millions of americans can't get a voter ID because local (or state or federal) government is that inept/irresponsible with respect to processing paperwork requests, then we have a far bigger problem than voter ID. And to be sure, the processing delays your wife experienced can easily be experienced by a man (and not just middle class white dudes) looking to get an official birth certificate or other similar government issued document. So not sure why only women voters would be more impacted than 'men' voters.

I recently took both of my parents in to get RealIDs in Arizona. It took one hour and $25 each to get just an AZ state-issued ID that fully meets any Voter ID requirement that has been proposed. AZ may be cheap compared to other states so this may be a unique, one-off, case but I find it to be a hollow argument that cost of an ID is prohibitive and disenfranchising in nature. YMMV.

Thanks for catching my typo, appreciated! I'm sure there will be more.

Unless states scale up requests for vital records, and they certainly could, I have a hard time envisioning processing times will decrease if requests increase. States/municipalities have been upfront that it would be a months long process. I'm not sure it is indicative of a "far bigger problem" or just lacking priority for them, so feel free to elaborate there if you want.

It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me that some decent portion of the estimated 40% of the population currently without a Real ID will fail to secure one before November. Given an estimate of 260 million americans over age 18, there are up to 104 million americans possibly lacking proper documentation. Maybe all 40% have passports, or those 40% aren't going to vote anyway, or they get all the documentation they need - great! However, it seems plausible to me that there is room for a couple million folks who could get turned away come November.

Why would women voters be more impacted? Women voters who have changed their name when getting married need additional documentation, namely a certified marriage license. Disproportionately, women are more likely to take their husband's name upon marriage. Not sure how many dudes you know that changed their name, but give them a heads up that they will need both the certified birth certificate and marriage license. So individuals (man or woman) who changed their name upon marriage could need to request two documents, while those who have not changed their name need just one. Also make sure the raised seal on the original that you've been holding onto is still good.

I don't find it difficult to think of local families that might struggle to spare money for documents and upgrading unexpired driver's licenses. Worst case (both parents) and low/average numbers for a husband and wife, $25 each for a certified birth certificate, $15 for a marriage license, and $50 each (Montana price) for the Real ID comes to $165 for the family pretty quick. Depending on the state, I'm sure it can exceed that.

I'm glad your experience was more positive, and I'm sure there will be a range of experiences associated with getting a Real ID. In the original post that you quoted, I clearly listed what I would look for to support the Act.

 

[Alpine01]

Are you sure about that? I find it wiser to go by what the proposed legislation actually says vs. what they are telling you it does or doesn’t do.

AI Overview

An Arizona (AZ) Real ID, known as the Arizona Travel ID, does not directly indicate U.S. citizenship. While it requires proof of lawful presence, it is issued to U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, and some non-immigrants with valid work authorization, confirming identity and legal residency, not citizenship status.

Interesting ...

I can ask AI whether AZ RealID is valid and get the following:

Yes, an Arizona Travel ID can serve as proof of citizenship, as it complies with federal REAL ID requirements. It is accepted for identification purposes, including at TSA airport security checkpoints.

Arizona Travel ID and Proof of Citizenship​

What is the Arizona Travel ID?​

The Arizona Travel ID is a state-issued identification that complies with federal REAL ID mandates. It serves as a valid form of identification for domestic air travel and is available as both a driver's license and an identification card.

Proof of Citizenship Requirements​

To use the Arizona Travel ID as proof of citizenship, you must meet specific criteria:

• Arizona Driver's License or ID: If issued after October 1, 1996, it can serve as proof of citizenship without needing additional documents.
• Birth Certificate: A legible copy of your birth certificate can verify citizenship if your driver's license does not indicate citizenship.

Per MSN:

Which documents are accepted as proof of U.S. citizenship?​

— A REAL ID-compliant driver’s license that “indicates the applicant is a citizen.”
— A valid U.S. passport.
— A military ID card with a military record of service that lists the applicant’s birthplace as in the U.S.
— A valid government-issued photo ID that shows the applicant’s birthplace was in the U.S.
— A valid government-issued photo ID accompanied by a document, such as a certified birth certificate, confirming a U.S. birthplace.


Per AZ state government:

What is required to get an AZ RealID card

Overview of Arizona Real ID​

The Arizona Real ID is a state-issued identification that complies with federal standards set by the REAL ID Act of 2005. It is available as both a driver's license and an identification card. A gold star on the card indicates that it meets the necessary federal requirements for identification.

Requirements for Obtaining a Real ID​

Necessary Documents​

To apply for an Arizona Real ID, you need to provide:

• Proof of Identity:
  
  • Original or certified birth certificate
  • Unexpired U.S. passport or passport card
• Social Security Number:
  
  • No document needed, but you must provide your complete Social Security number.
• Proof of Arizona Residency:
  
  • Two documents from different sources showing your name and current Arizona address, such as:
    
    • Utility bill
    • Bank statements
    • Insurance policy

I do need to clarify that my parents got the enhanced version which has the US citizen designation so in that respect, my bad for not stating that in the first place. Still, it was a pretty simple process.