El Jason
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They can. They just have to be licensed to operate on a lease or on public land. They can’t employ guides unless they are also landowners.
Protectionist industries?
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rjthehunter
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Eh, I don't think there needs to be any. Do I really need to pay any additional money to the state? They already take taxes, require registration, etc.
What would be the benefit to requiring guides to be licensed? A miniscule increase in revenue?
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Agree.
warmer
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You're a guide, right?
Ah hell, why not? I’ll start the fight…
Union trade jobs. There seems to be some totally unjustifiable long training for those guys.
Actually, if you have verifiable work experience in the particular trade you can often walk right and buy a journeyman card by simply paying a fee.
Not too fair to the guys that had to go through the training, but it works that way. When help is scare and they need bodies, they'll take on new people and put them to work at journeymen rates.
rjthehunter
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Yes, not full time.
I'm in the group that would have to stop and decide whether or not it would be worth continuing to pursue, or if I'd stop guiding. My other option be to work under a large guide team instead of doing my own thing.
rjthehunter
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Some of those union guys have this invisible chip on their shoulder that no one cares about or notices other than themselves when they look in the mirror.
Or they could have all been a bunch of dumbphuks that didn't know enough about what they were teaching children.
I had tons of great teachers. I can maybe count on one hand the amount of teachers that should have been replaced, based off of merit. Others maybe had dry personalities and weren't as inspiring as others, but still were knowledgeable. A couple others participated in some unscrupulous activities and were dismissed, but again they were still knowledgeable in their field.
I'm not blaming teachers unions and degree requirements for a couple vanilla personalities and bad characters that would have done bad things no matter their field.
warmer
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I do not intend to start an internet fight with a stranger. I'm a licensed plumbing contractor in SD. I pay $250 per year. That is the number that the Legislature was using as a cost for fishing guides. Serious question, Would that drive you out of the business if you did what you do in SD? Just curious.
rjthehunter
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No, $250 wouldn't. But honestly, what's the point? I already want to vomit when I see what I pay in taxes every year. I don't want to give a penny more than I need to. Again, the revenue increase associated with this would be negligible.
warmer
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It wasn't about revenue here. It was about getting a handle on just how many guides were using the public resources.
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SRP's (Special Recreation Permit) are so varied with the damage to the resource. Compare a normal fishing guide outfit with those Jagaloons that have the tube float businesses on the lower Madison, those 2 aren't comparable but they pay a similar (next to nothing) permit cost.
I wonder what would happen if instead they followed the oil/gas model and took a % of revenue as well
I wonder what would happen if instead they followed the oil/gas model and took a % of revenue as well
geetar
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There is a great bit in the middle of this about building code inspectors that pretty much agrees with what you are saying.
rjthehunter
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Clients and guides all pay for fishing licenses allowing them to utilize the resource.
It's different when you consider somewhere like Florida where a captain is licensed and the fishermen don't need to but their fishing licenses.
The number of guides didn't really dictate the number of clients looking to go on a fishing trip.
Nameless Range
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I think so many jobs that require a college degree fall into this category. Many careers could have such a truncated education period. I went to school for more years than most because I was a Grade A f-up, and 90% of the knowledge I use in my now 15-year career as a GIS Developer was learned on the job. I think so many jobs could be training positions for a period of time as opposed to the money-pits that are degrees + certifications + years of experience required.
Years back I looked into surveying as a career, because I think it is beautiful on a lot of levels. If I recall correctly, it took a degree + something like 4 -10 years of experience (depending on the degree type) to be able to take the test. Seemed a lot to me.
Years back I looked into surveying as a career, because I think it is beautiful on a lot of levels. If I recall correctly, it took a degree + something like 4 -10 years of experience (depending on the degree type) to be able to take the test. Seemed a lot to me.
I did the same thing. The first few years were apparently spent learning how to pound stakes with a hammer.
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Im studying for the line trade and jeez does one need alot of certificate such as class A CDl flagger license Osha 10 CPR and first aid and then of course you're basic GED or high-school diploma then if you decide to go union don't forget the waiting list to get a position as a groundman and getting the apprenticeship could take years then if you do decide to go to a trade school then you're looking at 20k to 30k to pay for it and don't forget to get the CDL school plus all the hours on the Osha school so one could spend a year or more in schools then the apprenticeship is 4 years to top out as a journeyman. And you gotta decide what state you wanna work in and what union school they have but the line trade seems to be pretty stable just alot of learning and studying
