Potential SCOTUS Nomimee

[88man]

Any more off track than the US billionaires club increasing their wealth in the first couple months of the shutdown by 500 billion? You know, while 20 million hard working Americans lost their jobs...and another 12 million lost their health insurance?

Any more off track than the wealthiest Americans screaming the loudest so that their corporate tax rates are cut to 21%?

Etc. etc. etc.

Like I said, the middle ground is toast...

The corp tax rate cut from 34% to 21% was fantastic for C corps. It allowed them to invest in capital and their employees instead of paying big government. Not every C corp is a fortune 500 company as many are small companies with under 100 employees who have employees who own stock in their jobs/company. They contribute heavily to local charities in their communities and the overall local business cycle. Was great for the markets also.

 

[406dn]

A significant segment of society is broke by choice, lazy, entitled and economically illiterate.

That ideology has nothing to offer anybody with a sense of self worth, work ethic or self esteem. Believing in it sets people up for a life of mystery. I know a bunch of them. It is unfortunate. A small change in attitude and a little belief in themselves instead of thinking they’re victims of whatever the injustice of the day is and they could be doing great for themselves.

This is a decent description of the down scale Trump supporters in my small town. They don't have a pot to pee in and are convinced either an illegal alien or big city liberal is the reason they aren't doing better.

Politics aside, the bottom half, likely closer to the bottom 60%, of our population is floundering economically. Not all of them are just lazy.

 

[88man]

This is a decent description of the down scale Trump supporters in my small town. They don't have a pot to pee in and are convinced either an illegal alien or big city liberal is the reason they aren't doing better.

Politics aside, the bottom half, likely closer to the bottom 60%, of our population is floundering economically. Not all of them are just lazy.

Why do you think the bottom 60% are floundering?
Recently, a 15 mile stretch of highway near me has 8 bilboards marketing for job opportunities that their companies need filled. Those bill boards are typically between $4500 and $6500 a month with 6 month investment required. They are posting for jobs mostly over $25/hr some with bonus potential of $6000 after 18 months. I have never seen 1 billboard targeting labor on that stretch until last year.
Why are the bottom 60% floundering in your opinion? What is the definition of floundering?
I am guessing it gotta be local

 

[longbow51]

The tax cut was fantastic for all small businesses. The small company in which my daughter works hired more people, expanded their product line, gave bonuses, increased salaries, and contributed more to employee's 401Ks based on the cut. Over 50% of our economy is small business. And, even with the tax cut, total revenues went up; smaller % tax rate x larger tax base. And as has been shown, it stimulated wage growth of those at the bottom and middle of the economic scale the most.

This isn't an R vs D thing. JFK did the same thing in 1964; at the time, tax revenues were expected to decline, but did not.
Reagan did this also, lowering taxies and leading to the longest peacetime expansion of the economy ever (until now, pre-Covid).

Take home is that individuals know far better how to spend money efficiently than the federal government does. While I'm in favor of STEM, Jimmy Buffet put a light-hearted spin on it in his classic Fruitcakes:

"Speakin' of fruitcakes, how 'bout the government?
Your tax dollars at work.
We lost our Martian rocket ship
The high paid spokesman said
Looks like that silly rocket ship
Has lost its cone shaped head
We spent 90 jillion dollars trying to get a look at Mars
I hear universal laughter ringing out among the stars"

 

[88man]

The tax cut was fantastic for all small businesses. My daughter's small company hired more people, expanded their product line, gave bonuses, increased salaries, and contributed more to employee's 401Ks based on the cut. Over 50% of our economy is small business. And, even with the tax cut, total revenues went up; smaller % tax rate x larger tax base. And as has been shown, it stimulated wage growth of those at the bottom and middle of the economic scale the most.

This isn't an R vs D thing. JFK did the same thing in 1964; at the time, tax revenues were expected to decline, but did not.
Reagan did this also, lowering taxies and leading to the longest peacetime expansion of the economy ever (until now, pre-Covid).

Take home is that individuals know far better how to spend money efficiently than the federal government does. While I'm in favor of STEM, Jimmy Buffet put a light-hearted spin on it in his classic Fruitcakes:

"Speakin' of fruitcakes, how 'bout the government?
Your tax dollars at work.
We lost our Martian rocket ship
The high paid spokesman said
Looks like that silly rocket ship
Has lost its cone shaped head
We spent 90 jillion dollars trying to get a look at Mars
I hear universal laughter ringing out among the stars"

A lot of these guys on here work for the government or get funded by the government so they love big government as it benefits them personally. It is not an R or a D thing.

 

[longbow51]

A lot of these guys on here work for the government or get funded by the government so they love big government as it benefits them personally. It is not an R or a D thing.

You know, that speaks volumes. Thank you.

 

[BigHornRam]

As you typed, I was editing my comment to mention that too.

Weird isn’t it. That a government controlled by billionaires used a public health crisis to ignore the health crisis and orchestrate a wealth transfer from small business to big.
(While those proclaiming to be progressive cheered the loudest about it, and still want the restrictions on small businesses).


Those are the ones we need to give more power to.

it was really neat how the chain restaurants in town got millions while my neighbor closed hers, has her home in short sale and is giving up on our entire country and is moving back to Chiapas where she is ‘allowed to sell tacos’.
The left cheered for her demise and shrieked and are still shrieking when the governor said she could sell tacos at 50% occupancy.
One less semi fluent immigrant for the owners of the Mexican chain restaurants in town to have to worry about.

Great point!
It's easier and more efficient to collect taxes from a company with 1000 employees than 1000 self employed people. It's also easier to control 1000 employees than 1000 independent self employed people.

 

[Nameless Range]

A lot of these guys on here work for the government or get funded by the government so they love big government as it benefits them personally. It is not an R or a D thing.

In my experience this line of thinking is just a way to avoid actual conversation about certain topics. It's the other side of the coin of "some rich folks would benefit from corruption, therefore they only want less government so it is easier to be corrupt."

Both would be identified as fallacies on the first day of an intro to philosophy class. It also may be another one of the last conversations heard on the cockpit voice recorder.

YMMV.

 

[Europe]

Randi

Some of the things, some of us did, in our mid twenties will never be posted on this forum. Speaking only for myself not Noharleyyet or Vikingsguy ( the two you mentioned )

The actor that said "mendacity" was Burl Ives. And if you liked him, he does another good scene in Big Country. "you want to start--here ( throwing the shotgun )--start now"

As to Wash D.C.. I thought Simpson said it best at Bush's funeral. "Those who travel the high road of humility in Wash D.C. are not bothered by heavy traffic "

I am very glad to see you talking face to face with people. But remember dont just talk--"Listen". And then do your part, no matter how insignificant it seems at the time, to make our country a better place tomorrow than it is today.

O.k. I am headed back to the Music thread --carry on

 

[88man]

In my experience this line of thinking is just a way to avoid actual conversation about certain topics. It's the other side of the coin of "some rich folks would benefit from corruption, therefore they only want less government so it is easier to be corrupt."

Both would be identified as fallacies on the first day of an intro to philosophy class. It also may be another one of the last conversations heard on the cockpit voice recorder.

YMMV.

We are not in the classroom. We are here for Hunting/Public Lands/Conservation/shooting >>>> online conversation.

 

[BigHornRam]

I am not a big fan of AOC but she does speak to a significant segment of our society. Their and her perspectives are part of the compromise when meeting in the middle. To dismiss them out of hand really isn't meeting in the middle.

AOC is poison, just like the Bundy's. The "middle" doesn't need to compromise with either. Both have made themselves irrelevant to rational thinking citizens. You can give her a seat at the table, I wont.

 

[El Jason]

@Nameless Range I hear more voices and rambling from the cockpit.

 

[406dn]

AOC is poison, just like the Bundy's. The "middle" doesn't need to compromise with either. Both have made themselves irrelevant to rational thinking citizens. You can give her a seat at the table, I wont.

Sorry, but she already has one. She managed to get elected to Congress. So it is a total apple to orange comparison to compare AOC to Bundy.

Get back to me one this one when he gets elected to Congress, or when she says something as asinine as blacks had it better as slaves.

 

[Europe]

The "middle" has continued to go left, not right, in my lifetime. The "middle" today would have been seen as extreme, to the left, when I cast my first vote. AOC would have been ignored at one time, even by the left, but today she holds a seat in congress.

You fellows are all more in tune with "today" than I, but be careful. Death by a thousand cuts

In my research I think Barrett is a good choice for gun owners.( 2A ) Do you agree ? Does anyone know if the NRA has supported the nomination or not ?

 

[ibehuntin]

Personally I’m thrilled with 45’s choice and she will be confirmed by the Senate.

 

[Vidimus]

The "middle" has continued to go left, not right, in my lifetime. The "middle" today would have been seen as extreme, to the left, when I cast my first vote. AOC would have been ignored at one time, even by the left, but today she holds a seat in congress.

You fellows are all more in tune with "today" than I, but be careful. Death by a thousand cuts

In my research I think Barrett is a good choice for gun owners.( 2A ) Do you agree ? Does anyone know if the NRA has supported the nomination or not ?

Completely agree. Compromise with the so-called "middle" is a moving target that's only moved more and more Left because of those exact compromises.

Regarding ACB and 2A, I have hope that she'll be very good for that, and could lead to SCOTUS being willing to take more 2A cases. She's written before that blanket bans on gun ownership for all felons is unconstitutional which is a bold (and imo true) take. We'll see, never taking it for granted in this environment.

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

Completely agree. Compromise with the so-called "middle" is a moving target that's only moved more and more Left because of those exact compromises.

Regarding ACB and 2A, I have hope that she'll be very good for that, and could lead to SCOTUS being willing to take more 2A cases. She's written before that blanket bans on gun ownership for all felons is unconstitutional which is a bold (and imo true) take. We'll see, never taking it for granted in this environment.

While that may be true of the Democrats I think it's worth noting that a large contingent of Republicans believe in a strict 10th amendment interpretation and don't acknowledge the legitimacy of federal government authority in many things. Libertarianism/ anarchism is pervasive in the rural culture I grew up in, and I believe that's just as problematic.

 

[Exhausted]

Sorry, but she already has one. She managed to get elected to Congress. So it is a total apple to orange comparison to compare AOC to Bundy.

Get back to me one this one when he gets elected to Congress, or when she says something as asinine as blacks had it better as slaves.

To be fair, she got elected by a portion of NYC. She wouldn't have stood a chance in most other areas of the country. She can have her seat at the table and run her district into the ground for all I care. Let her and her group try all of her policies at home before typing to implement them nationwide. If she can clean up her own room successfully I might be willing to talk about her policies on a national level.

 

[BigHornRam]

Sorry, but she already has one. She managed to get elected to Congress. So it is a total apple to orange comparison to compare AOC to Bundy.

Get back to me one this one when he gets elected to Congress, or when she says something as asinine as blacks had it better as slaves.

You are right. Being elected to office carries more gravitas. Klansman Senator Robert Byrd even voted for SC Justice's in his day.

 

[MTGomer]

Sorry, but she already has one. She managed to get elected to Congress. So it is a total apple to orange comparison to compare AOC to Bundy.

Get back to me one this one when he gets elected to Congress, or when she says something as asinine as blacks had it better as slaves.

The Bundys have an entire state’s delegation. Until yesterday they had an ally at the head of the DOI.
If the Bundys chose to personally run for office in their district, they could win.
It’s not apples to oranges at all.

Anti-public land, mormon fundamentalism isn’t any less imaginary or less represented in our country than socialism.