Political Correctness...it's very own thread of candor

I see the pres pretty much summed up my thoughts on the PC whinage of the week.
“That’s the key, they tell us. We can’t get ISIL unless we call them ‘radical Islamists,’ ” Obama said, referring to the Islamic State militant group after meeting with his National Security Council at the Treasury Department to discuss the administration's counterterrorism strategy. “What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to trying to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is, none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction.”

The president added: “There’s no magic to the phrase, ‘radical Islam.’ It’s a political talking point; it’s not a strategy.”
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Bush was also careful not to make it sound like we were at war with Islam, "This great nation of many religions understands, our war is not against Islam, or against faith practiced by the Muslim people. Our war is a war against evil," but I guess he gets a pass.
 
noharleyyet said:
What say ye...does pussy footing ameliorate those who want to kill and terrorize the sheep? Let the high saddled platitudes commence.
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RobG said:
Did they legalize MJ down there or something? Even with Google you're not making sense. :D
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Pretty sure NHY is referring to the President's remarks of ISIS being the JV squad of terrorist a few years ago.
 
"You can only dismiss something as PC with audiences that can't comprehend issues that require more than 2-3 sentences to explain. "


Ah, I see. So if it is politically correct and I call it for what it is then I am obviously an idiot. but it works well to further your political correctness before you have to defend the argument
 
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The publicity is a problem. It's the easiest way for an average loser to become a household name overnight.
Publicity of terrorism fuels terrorist.
 
Gerald Martin said:
Sheep who wish to remain blind will never recognize the wolves who are about to ravage them. To recognize and call a wolf evil is to acknowledge the wrong in their own life and they would rather remain in denial, hoping that the law of averages favors them and they aren't the ones who get bitten.

And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness more than light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.… -Gospel of John 3:19,20
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You got me thinking here. OK so I like light more than darkness, BUT, I have to wear sunglasses because the light is to bright for my eyes.

Your take? I don't think there's anything to explain that in the Bible.
 
Me and the wife were having a similar conversation earlier today. I cannot fathom why you would not identify an enemy. Why do you not identify a specific evil? I wasn't fighting all Muslims in Afghanistan, but I was fighting very specific Muslims although identifying them was very difficult unless they were shooting at us. I am not advocating executing every Muslim in America, but if I see black pajamas running around beheading people I'm not going to stop to ask them if they are radical the action has proven already they are a radical extremist. Obama said that naming them gives them a win. I call BS. It is a mindset. If an enemy is not identified as an enemy it creates doubt.
 
Tufrthnails said:
Me and the wife were having a similar conversation earlier today. I cannot fathom why you would not identify an enemy. Why do you not identify a specific evil? I wasn't fighting all Muslims in Afghanistan, but I was fighting very specific Muslims although identifying them was very difficult unless they were shooting at us. I am not advocating executing every Muslim in America, but if I see black pajamas running around beheading people I'm not going to stop to ask them if they are radical the action has proven already they are a radical extremist. Obama said that naming them gives them a win. I call BS. It is a mindset. If an enemy is not identified as an enemy it creates doubt.
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On the other hand, there is a school of thought that we never should have called this a war, or called anyone enemy combatants. You only go to war with States and we elevate criminals by naming them as anything other than their individual, given birth name or "criminal" or "fugitive" etc.

So, imagine we treated 9/11 as a criminal act and pursued the individuals responsible for planning, financing and running that murder. Imagine when we had the support of the world. Imagine if we had the patience to wait and doggedly pursue the criminals like we do in all other cases. Imagine if a State, like Afghanistan was treated like a State harboring criminals and, if necessary, we went to war with the State after giving them and the world notice. No nation-building etc. Just go after the criminals and only violate the State's sovereignty to the extent necessary to accomplish the mission. And we don't decide what constitutes a "failed State." We just do our business and leave.

I think of it like Jesse James: He may have viewed himself as a soldier, a warrior for the Confederacy. However, the war was over, we treated him like a common POS, pursued him doggedly and got one of his own to shoot him in the back of the head. We did not allege the Civil War was still on. We did not treat him like an enemy. Had we done so, imagine how many more men from the former Confederacy would have joined him and continued an insurgency! Speaking of that, think of the KKK. These people were not legitimized as an insurgency. They didn't follow James. They were all a bunch of Fking losers and criminals.

So, we might not have 5,000 dead Americans, 35,000 wounded, no implosion of the Middle East, no unfunded multi-trillion dollar debts, no recession, (and for you haters, no Obama), etc.

In short, if you treat a POS like a State, he may become one: an Islamic State. And yes, there were voices in the wilderness who were screaming this at the top of their lungs immediately after 9/11. But they were lost in the din and we were all S on by the corporate media which silenced them, along with those who shouted them down as "un-American" and "un-Patriotic" and "failing to support the troops" etc. They got virtually no air time, save the internet backwaters.

Unfortunately, Americans felt good about beating the drums, wrapping themselves in the flag and getting their war on. That might be understandable but they were manipulated by men who saw dollar signs. We should have had calm, cool, collected, patient men and women who know the proper temperature of a dish of vengeance.

So here we are, all because we decided to legitimize a criminal organization. Having a "cause" does not make you a State or a soldier. The SLA had a cause. Think of all the militant groups in the U.S. that have/had a cause. We treat them as criminals.

Just some thoughts from back on 9/12.
 
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Yep, two little compact words conveying pejorative marginalization. I like the way it lumps all the detractors, don't you?
 
One form of political correctness would be blindly and continuously apologizing for and defending a barbaric political ideology that causes trouble anywhere it takes root - all in the name of tolerance, multi-culturalism and diversity. Some's unabashed defense of Islam and its marginalization of women and execution of gays is on a crash course with their fake advocacy for gays and women.

Political correctness created an environment where the San Bernardino shooter wasn't investigated, and may have contributed to the coworkers of this latest killer not coming forward.
Its deadly and must end.
 
MTGomer said:
One form of political correctness would be blindly and continuously apologizing for and defending a barbaric political ideology that causes trouble anywhere it takes root - all in the name of tolerance, multi-culturalism and diversity.
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I have yet to see that, anywhere, at any time, from anyone; save ISIS members themselves.

I have, however, seen some folks parse barbaric political ideology from a general religious belief held by billions of people who don't have S to do with any barbaric political ideology.

As to religion in general, though, I think it's stupid. But I won't parse one from another since they are all stupid. But that doesn't make any of them barbaric political ideologies.

As noharleyyet has taught us, " . . . [three] little compact words conveying pejorative marginalization. I like the way it lumps all the detractors, don't you?" Billions aren't wearing that shoe. Nor should we try and force them to do so.
 
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James,

I am curious as to how you feel radical Islam, ISIS/ISIL, Sharia States should be characterized and confronted. Certainly, not all Muslims are anything more than peaceful people trying to live their lives, but there is one common denominator in it all. A relatively small group has been exporting violence all over the world for 40 years in the name of Islam (the pace of which has accelerated in the last 15 years), but a much larger portion has been oppressing parts of N. Africa, Central Asia, SW & SE Asia in the name of the same religion.

I feel like failing to acknowledge the role their religion plays is ignorance, because having had the opportunity to meet some of these young men, I can tell you they feel like religion is a huge factor.
 
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