noharleyyet
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What say ye...does pussy footing ameliorate those who want to kill and terrorize the sheep? Let the high saddled platitudes commence.
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Political Correctness...it's very own thread of candor
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MinnesotaHunter
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Agreed, 100%.
It is pretty tough to solve problems you are unwilling to publicly acknowledge. I am confused why none of the candidates want to talk about the mental health of this country. Why isn't the public discussion about why we have so many people who are motivated to go on killing sprees, or feel like that is the solution to their problems? Why are so many young kids killing themselves? Why does the younger generation seem to be losing its empathy, and treat each other, their parents, and authority with so much disrespect? Why does the media try and make criminals the victims?
It is pretty tough to solve problems you are unwilling to publicly acknowledge. I am confused why none of the candidates want to talk about the mental health of this country. Why isn't the public discussion about why we have so many people who are motivated to go on killing sprees, or feel like that is the solution to their problems? Why are so many young kids killing themselves? Why does the younger generation seem to be losing its empathy, and treat each other, their parents, and authority with so much disrespect? Why does the media try and make criminals the victims?
Nameless Range
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Sometimes Political Correctness is a synonym for tact, which is not a bad thing. Sometimes Political Correctness is used a rhetorical tactic to not to deal with the actual issues, which is a bad thing. Sometimes Political Correctness is an act of social signaling: "Hey guys, I'm advanced and I care", which may be good or bad.
Often times, people will shout, "That's just Political Correctness", to avoid actually addressing an argument. I see it as analogous to someone, often on the other side of the political spectrum, shouting, "Check your White Privilege", as a way to devalue someone's arguments a priori. Arguments are categorized in such a way that allows them to be dismissed right off the bat.
Due to their being hijacked by media pundits, partisan hacks, and drunk a$$holes at the bar (whether the bar be in Berkeley or Butte), neither of those terms are particularly useful.
Often times, people will shout, "That's just Political Correctness", to avoid actually addressing an argument. I see it as analogous to someone, often on the other side of the political spectrum, shouting, "Check your White Privilege", as a way to devalue someone's arguments a priori. Arguments are categorized in such a way that allows them to be dismissed right off the bat.
Due to their being hijacked by media pundits, partisan hacks, and drunk a$$holes at the bar (whether the bar be in Berkeley or Butte), neither of those terms are particularly useful.
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A few words I need to google, back in a bit.
MinnesotaHunter
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That is fair, but I am more concerned about the concept rather than how someone uses the term in conversation. My biggest concern is when we base a decision on some poorly defined problem, based on a subjective rather than objective view.
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Excellent post.
I don't have a problem with political correctness, in and of itself. It can be a tool to bend that arc of history in a good direction, in line with your statement about tact, inoffensive dialogue, and objective discussion without gasoline on it.
Political correctness, along with some more effective tools, has put some bigots in the closet while letting others out. I know what some people are thinking about the Orlando killing but they are afraid to say it. Twenty years ago, they would not only be saying it, but they would be in sizable company. Imagine 40 years ago, etc. The jokes, etc. Same with race relations and a host of other issues.
What bothers me is when skin gets so thin you can't even talk anymore. And it bothers me even more when the "champion" you are talking to is not even an aggrieved party. Empathy is a good thing, but nothing gets done when you're bleeding all over the place. In fact, the guy who *is* bleeding all over the place doesn't need some champion bleeding all over with him. He needs Rudyard Kipling's "If" to stop the bleeding.
Nevertheless, there are those who feel they have to demonstrate their bona fides with an emotional, sanctimonious, self-righteous demand that everyone else start bleeding too. Those folks usually cave when the real bleeding starts on their end.
Both "sides" do this. We hear about a War on Christmas, and how Facebook won't allow you to fly the flag and all kinds of BS. But 99% of the time the person you are talking to never personally experienced any of that S. Their panties are all up in a knot because John Stossle got him going. They are now a champion for some ephemeral or anecdotal victim out there somewhere.
Anyway, Political Correctness is just another tool in the rhetorical tool box which people use to manipulate others in conversation. That is why it is SO important that we teach our kids the Liberal Arts. The Arts focus not on *what* to think but, rather, on *how* to think. Reading, Writing, English (and other languages), Philosophy, Logic, Logical Argument, History, Social Studies, Civics, Sociology, Psychology, etc. These are the studies of the Enlightenment that produced men like our Founding Fathers and other great thinkers that pulled us out of the cave. Everyone has a bicep. But not all are equal and not everyone knows how to use theirs. Same with the brain. Training can fix that, with those who go to the gym. And the proof will be in the pudding, sans political correctness.
Unfortunately, I think there is too much emphasis on a new course entitled "How To Bleed." It's an easy "A" for those who don't need it, and a tough course for those who do. It's teaching *what* to think, not *how* to think. There is a world of difference. Actually, worse yet, it is teaching what to feel, not how to feel.
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MinnesotaHunter
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Well said. I would add, that part of the liberal arts might include an ability to have a healthy debate, rather than just getting defensive when our ideas are challenged. It seems like part of the reason everyone is so incendiary, is that they feel compelled to defend a position they don't clearly understand.
noharleyyet
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..or a position they full well understand but dare not change stance on.
Washington Hunter
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Can someone explain in plain English what this thread is about? Who are these sheep that were referenced in the original post? So confused....
James Riley
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It's a dog whistle, only you get to choose your pack.
The OP may have had a subjective intent but the post was amorphous enough that it can cut any direction.
RobG
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You can only dismiss something as PC with audiences that can't comprehend issues that require more than 2-3 sentences to explain.
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noharleyyet
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Rob, what percentage of the population actually listens past 2-3 sentences?
...a meme is worth a thousand words?
RobG
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It's complicated. Best you just believe me.Rob, what percentage of the population actually listens past 2-3 sentences?
BigHornRam
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I plan to kill a sheep this year, and no pussy footing around doing it. Is it politically correct to say this on this site? What say ye......
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sbhooper
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Exactly! it is nothing more than a cop out for what needs to be done/said. It is a chickencaca way to get around reality. Liberals bathe in it!
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Sheep who wish to remain blind will never recognize the wolves who are about to ravage them. To recognize and call a wolf evil is to acknowledge the wrong in their own life and they would rather remain in denial, hoping that the law of averages favors them and they aren't the ones who get bitten.
And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness more than light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.… -Gospel of John 3:19,20
And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness more than light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.… -Gospel of John 3:19,20
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