PLT. It's on in ID.

[SAJ-99]

That would be up to the residents of Idaho in that hypothetical scenario. There is no national law that mandates that.

This article in the local news shows why Idaho is the poster-child for the end result of PLT.

'Total shock': Families lose decades of legacy at Priest Lake as state auctions off their leased land

Doug Cossette's parents first took him to Priest Lake three months after he was born in 1951. It's been in his blood ever since. Frequent visits to the deep, clear-water lake known for sandy shores that are ringed by majestic Selkirk Mountain peaks, became something more meaningful in 1967.

www.spokesman.com

 

[Treeshark]

What is your take on that article?

Is that guy really a victim here?

 

[SAJ-99]

What is your take on that article?

Is that guy really a victim here?

Victim? No. The terms on the lease are pretty clear. The family leased the land from the state and built the house. The lease expired and the state sold the land to the highest bidder, which wasn’t the family that owned the house. These leases are common in the west on both state land and federal.

The most telling part was the buyer destroyed the house to build a new one. Not exactly fixing the “housing crisis”. Also telling was the point that Idaho ranks at the very bottom on money spent on schooling (which is the stated purpose of this land). The system benefits the very wealthy. In that case, there are a lot victims. Most of them are kids.

 

[Matthew57]

This article in the local news shows why Idaho is the poster-child for the end result of PLT.

'Total shock': Families lose decades of legacy at Priest Lake as state auctions off their leased land

Doug Cossette's parents first took him to Priest Lake three months after he was born in 1951. It's been in his blood ever since. Frequent visits to the deep, clear-water lake known for sandy shores that are ringed by majestic Selkirk Mountain peaks, became something more meaningful in 1967.

www.spokesman.com

It’s sadly a story of working people getting priced out of the nicer parts of our area. It’s been a consistent pattern my whole life here and unfortunately it’s changing the culture.

 

[SAJ-99]

It’s sadly a story of working people getting priced out of the nicer parts of our area. It’s been a consistent pattern my whole life here and unfortunately it’s changing the culture.

true. But would a repricing of the lease price them out in the same way that the outright sale does?

 

[Gulf of America]

What is your take on that article?

Is that guy really a victim here?

You are so focused on whether the lease-holder in both these stories is a victim that you're totally missing the whole public land point. We don't give a shit about these guys, but these are cautionary tales about what states would do if they were given the deed to federal lands within their borders. Traditional uses like agriculture and recreation wouldn't hold a candle to the price a billionaire would pay, so they'd sell off every acre.

 

[Treeshark]

Why would residents of states let that happen?

 

[INMT]

Why would residents of states let that happen?

Simply put, because the majority rule vote guns, abortion, and any other special of the weak social issue.

Everything else is secondary.

 

[Treeshark]

Simply put, because the majority rule vote guns, abortion, and any other special of the weak social issue.

Everything else is secondary.

You may unfortunately be right. Might be a good time to start working on this issue at the state level.

 

[Elkmagnet]

Why would residents of states let that happen?

You speak as though history is full of stories where politicians did what was in the best interest of the governed and not of their own.

 

[TheTone]

Why would residents of states let that happen?

Because we really have no say in how or what the department of lands does with the land it “manages”

 

[SAJ-99]

Why would residents of states let that happen?

Money. If you look at it from the Land Board's point of view of maximizing revenue for schools (and I have seen the numbers), it is a simple decision for some of these properties -sell the land and invest the money in the stock market. There is no way the fees from the lease or timber sales or grazing will generate 7-10% the market will generate, particularly on the vacation home or lakefront properties whose value is inflated.

The citizens of ID will have to ask why ID ranks last in spending per student and is always toward the bottom in education quality rankings. But I assume that is about money too.

 

[44hunter45]

A funny experience is saying public land to an Idaho Department of Land employee and watching them almost in disgust and as a reaction say back endowment land. The sooner Idahoans realize they have almost no say in the management of these lands and the states only real concern is how to make money on them the better. Seeing them sold off and the resources on them stripped is just the reality of state lands here

Kind of thinking you and I are the only Idahoans on this thread...

(edit) @Elkmagnet has joined the fray.

Don't want to say it too loud lest people start calling their realtors.

For the record - Idaho is totally F'upped. No one would ever want to move here or come hunt here.