Brandon270
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Good to know, I have 55's that did well on small-medium sized pigs. I just picked up some 62gr the other day.
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NY Lead Ammo Ban - Passed Assembly
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tim629
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thanks for the link, just sent to my rep. I expect he already opposes it but the more voices the better.Here is a link the NYBHA's statement and a link within to send a note to your NY rep (for the one or two others on here).
New York State Lead Ammunition Ban Legislation
Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.www.backcountryhunters.org
i'm 1/2 surprised it wasn't in the recent budget, seems to be where they like to push non financial agendas. i'm not opposed to switching to a non-lead option but as others have pointed out wait until the shelves are starting to get product back again
Remington copper solids are a sabot round, and they kill deer like nobody's business. I highly recommend them to anyone looking for a non-toxic option through their rifled slug barrel.
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Do they even make rifled copper slugs for a smooth bore?
There is a high correlation with lead bans and state laws banning or restricting online ammo sales. Point being if I could find smooth bore copper slugs I would either need to ship them to a friend/family member out of state or find them on a shelf locally.
The fact that Remington makes those copper sabot round doesn’t really matter unless you can find them.
I shoot copper in my muzzy, and in all my rifles… etc but I’m with @bigfin it should be voluntary.
My comment was about the options available. I think it should be a voluntary option- I'm moving mostly towards non-toxic, but I strongly disagree with it being mandated.
Let the market demand cause the shift, not some ignorant politicians concerned with maintaining power.
Dougfirtree
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As far as I know, smoothbore shooters are SOL in areas that mandate copper. I'm with you on the voluntary thing, but if you're going to be living the dream in Mass for more than a couple of years, you might consider getting a rifled barrel. They're pretty impressively accurate.
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I’m definitely going to get a cantilever rifles barrel for my 870 and some of those slugs… groupings I’ve seen are amazing.
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By the way, can you even imagine what a 12 gauge tungston rifled slug would cost....?
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What I can’t figure out is why the lead free 00 buck is 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the turkey #4.By the way, can you even imagine what a 12 gauge tungston rifled slug would cost....?
It’s a big gubment conspiracy I tell you
Dougfirtree
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Call me crazy, but I'll bet it's more than just the cost per weight of the shot. Seems like turkey hunting stuff is rife with price gouging. Shotshells: $15.00 each. Plastic decoy that would cost $7.00 if it were a kid's toy: $100.00
They claim it's the specialized wads, shot buffer packing, and specialized type of shot (copper plated). I'm not buying it, but I do have a good choke tube.
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I can buy a box (20) bismuth #4 and a box of copper plated buckshot 00.
For the price of 5 TSS turkey shells
Lasiocarpa
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I switched to copper bullets for all my hunting 2 years ago. I do wish there were slipperier bullets available, but options seem to be getting better. Just ordered some Badlands Precision 140's for the 7/08 today.
On this particular topic I do wish that States would emphasize education rather than immediately taking the regulatory route. I would rather save the regulatory firepower for more pressing issues and using it as the first pitch is a sure fire way to foster resentment.
On this particular topic I do wish that States would emphasize education rather than immediately taking the regulatory route. I would rather save the regulatory firepower for more pressing issues and using it as the first pitch is a sure fire way to foster resentment.
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I've been considering using Bismuth #4's (made for waterfowl) for turkey hunting. Seems like the only halfway reasonable option for non-toxic. I'll have to find a box first, though.I can buy a box (20) bismuth #4 and a box of copper plated buckshot 00.
For the price of 5 TSS turkey shells
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I still shoot lead (pretty much entirely because it’s what I still have, considering nothing is available) in my rifles, really wanting to make the switch to non-toxic.
Just a question here though, I am old enough to have had the pleasure to shoot waterfowl with lead before the Federal switch to non-toxic (steel was the only available at first) happened in the late 80’s.
I use bismuth for WF and UG, when it can be found.
My question: if it were voluntary then, do you think anyone would have switched?
I personally think we would still have 90%+ of waterfowl hunters using lead, even 35 years on.
I realize there are differences in the comparison, but there are similarities as well.
Just a question here though, I am old enough to have had the pleasure to shoot waterfowl with lead before the Federal switch to non-toxic (steel was the only available at first) happened in the late 80’s.
I use bismuth for WF and UG, when it can be found.
My question: if it were voluntary then, do you think anyone would have switched?
I personally think we would still have 90%+ of waterfowl hunters using lead, even 35 years on.
I realize there are differences in the comparison, but there are similarities as well.
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I have mixed feelings about copper vs. lead. I've been giving copper a try, but have only used it twice. First was a 150-grain Federal copper into a bear. Killed cleanly, but the expansion did not impress me. In 2020, I tried a 165-grain copper (same Federal type as the 150 before). This bear was treed, and I was forced to shoot through the upper arm. In this case, I was very happy with the performance, because it smashed through the bone. Bear was dead before he hit the ground. Yes, I was picking fragments out of bear meat, but as it was copper it didn't concern me from a health standpoint.
So based on my tiny sample, I suspect the copper holds together better but I have yet to see good expansion. The cheap Core-Lokts and Federal Fusions seem to expand better.
Now that I'm not using .308 for bear, my commercial round selections are very limited. Last year I tried a Federal Vital-Shok, which judging by the drawing appears to be about 80-90% copper. Not helpful from a legal standpoint, but if meat contamination is your concern, much better than standard cup-and-core.
So based on my tiny sample, I suspect the copper holds together better but I have yet to see good expansion. The cheap Core-Lokts and Federal Fusions seem to expand better.
Now that I'm not using .308 for bear, my commercial round selections are very limited. Last year I tried a Federal Vital-Shok, which judging by the drawing appears to be about 80-90% copper. Not helpful from a legal standpoint, but if meat contamination is your concern, much better than standard cup-and-core.
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Unfortunately, it also seems that the price gap between lead and copper rifle ammo is narrowing, but not in the way we'd like. I'm seeing standard Core-Lokts going for $40/box, with copper only slightly more expensive.
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