MT Mule Deer - Sniveling Bitch Manifesto

[Frequently Banned Troll]

Who are the authors of this “proposal”? As in - let’s see how we can do as little as possible, involve as few as possible, and curtail to the masses of clowns to support the continued ruination of mule deer hunting in Montana.

The original group (MT Conservation Society & crew) did it right.

 

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That crap makes me want to shank a tent

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Ruination is just your opinion, which I share and which you we are entitled to. However, survey says 2/3 RESIDENT hunters want to hunt mule deer bucks during the rut every year. “Montana is required to manage for the benefit of RESIDENT hunters.”

Seems that’s what they are doing?

I reiterate I am willing to try anything for a period of 4-5 years to improve mule deer populations.

Aged all your bears the other day. Whenever you change your name again I suggest “Old Bear Slayer”

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

Ruination is just your opinion, which I share and which you we are entitled to. However, survey says 2/3 RESIDENT hunters want to hunt mule deer bucks during the rut every year. “Montana is required to manage for the benefit of RESIDENT hunters.”

Seems that’s what they are doing?

I reiterate I am willing to try anything for a period of 4-5 years to improve mule deer populations.

Aged all your bears the other day. Whenever you change your name again I suggest “Old Bear Slayer”

MT residents - ugh. If we could turn the clock back 20 years. Excited to know how old some of the bears are. Especially the 2 from this year.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

MT residents - ugh. If we could turn the clock back 20 years. Excited to know how old some of the bears are. Especially the 2 from this year.

You think it’s the newer immigrated residents that are shifting the baseline in hunting expectations? Here I’ve been thinking it’s those stuck in tradition and HeriTaGe not willing to change?

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

You think it’s the newer immigrated residents that are shifting the baseline in hunting expectations? Here I’ve been thinking it’s those stuck in tradition and HeriTaGe not willing to change?

I think it’s a mix, but likely more the older crowd and their influence on their kids (middle aged) refusing to give anything up.

 

[MTTW]

The older guys that I know say that we should close the season for mule deer until something improves. Most of them have quit killing mule deer. These guys do not go east.

 

[Hem]

The older guys that I know say that we should close the season for mule deer until something improves. Most of them have quit killing mule deer. These guys do not go east.

Yep

 

[cgasner1]

Neat another mule deer thread. Good luck I’m heading to bed

 

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@Forkyfinder

 

[Rack Daniels]

You think it’s the newer immigrated residents that are shifting the baseline in hunting expectations? Here I’ve been thinking it’s those stuck in tradition and HeriTaGe not willing to change?

I think it’s a mix, but likely more the older crowd and their influence on their kids (middle aged) refusing to give anything up.

I think as I read this I was leaning more towards the newly immigrated residents.. I mainly still do, I don’t believe there’s a single professional that moved to the area for work. They just happen to have their line of work in an area they moved for hunting and fishing, the surgeon or banker didn’t move there to help the kind folks of Montana. They moved there to hunt and fish.

But with the second opinion of older gen and their kids being culturally indoctrinated to NEED to hunt mule deer every year, I could see that too a little bit.

Little piece of me still thinks that many “generational” Montanans know where to find a “decent” mule deer, and the majority of the populous of new residents and old (60+) Montanans don’t want to work TOO hard to find one. There ARE still some good Mule deer bucks but they are hearty, rugged ass animals that I think a lot of WT hunters aren’t used to when they arrive. The newbys that can’t find them and the old heads that can’t drive to em want the change. Oh, and the lobbyists paid by MOGA to support their agenda….

 

[Rack Daniels]

I guess I’ll read the proposal now.

 

[Lostinthewoods]

The older guys that I know say that we should close the season for mule deer until something improves. Most of them have quit killing mule deer. These guys do not go east.

Close MT for a year and yall can come out and hunt some of my Missouri whitetail. All I ask is when it opens back up to point me in a direction.
Mule deer are my cursed animals....

 

[buckbull]

I dunno. I live in a state where the entire deer herd is managed by the number killed on the highway. This seems reasonable in comparison.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Does anyone know if fawn haying mortality has been analyzed/studied? I’ve talked to a lifelong rancher and they guess they run over 50 (mostly mule) deer fawns every year during the first cutting. Seemed like a lot to me.

 

[brockel]

Does anyone know if fawn haying mortality has been analyzed/studied? I’ve talked to a lifelong rancher and they guess they run over 50 (mostly mule) deer fawns every year during the first cutting. Seemed like a lot to me.

We always got a few every year but not 50

 

[antlerradar]

Does anyone know if fawn haying mortality has been analyzed/studied? I’ve talked to a lifelong rancher and they guess they run over 50 (mostly mule) deer fawns every year during the first cutting. Seemed like a lot to me.

That sounds like a lot, I hay more than 600 acres and I don't think I have ever gotten 10 and that was when deer numbers where sky high.

 

[Rack Daniels]

Instead of opting to change season dates you could fan out and push deer outta the fields before you cut!

Puts more deer on the mountain and doesn’t reduce opportunity!

 

[antlerradar]

As for this proposal, it is a lot of words to say we don't want to do anything. As for regional caps, There will be some regions that win and some that lose. Because regions 6&7 have the lions share of the deer and relativity little public land I could see public land in the east with even more NR. Even if I am wrong and we start to stuff more NR into the all ready crowded western districts, we will likely just convince more western residents to head east.
I could also see mule deer in region one taking a hit. With the big majority of the deer there being whitetails, but NR targeting mule deer at a much higher rate than R, region one could see a jump in NR pressure on mule deer.