MT- M/S/G results 26

[mtmuley]

I did to at one point I’d just hate to see a 12-13 year old get left out with low odds so the dad didn’t wanna put the money up. Like I said it’s mixed feeling for me

Sorry. If kids don't draw I don't care. They have time. The up front money years ago wasn't a deal breaker because it was refunded. If it held some applicants out, so be it. mtmuley

 

[cgasner1]

Sorry. If kids don't draw I don't care. They have time. The up front money years ago wasn't a deal breaker because it was refunded. If it held some applicants out, so be it. mtmuley

Guys at 26 points probably they had plenty of time also

 

[mtmuley]

Guys at 26 points probably they had plenty of time also

My points don't mean shit. I have come to that realization. But, I foolishly buy in. mtmuley

 

[406dn]

IMO, not only should there be some up front money, let's say $50. It should also not be refunded. The money raised could be earmarked for that specie's management.

All of these hunts are already a financial stretch for for those on tight budgets. $50 is a hurdle, but not an insurmountable one. I could be talked into, if you draw, a resident is good to go. A non resident would have to come up with, maybe $1000.

It won't happen, but it would winnow out some of the less serious hunters.

 

[PoleX]

After 47 unsuccessful years of applying, It looks like I finally drew a tag for IMO, the hardest of the big 3 critters to hunt, a Bridger Mts Goat.

I’ll try and keep tabs on a couple for you

 

[mtmuley]

IMO, not only should there be some up front money, let's say $50. It should also not be refunded. The money raised could be earmarked for that specie's management.

All of these hunts are already a financial stretch for for those on tight budgets. $50 is a hurdle, but not an insurmountable one. I could be talked into, if you draw, a resident is good to go. A non resident would have to come up with, maybe $1000.

It won't happen, but it would winnow out some of the less serious hunters.

Montana used to require the application funds up front. I miss those days. I would gladly put up a non refundable fee. mtmuley

 

[406dn]

Montana used to require the application funds up front. I miss those days. mtmuley

Yes, I remember the days. But they gave you a refund. My change would do away with the refund. The state keeps the money for managing these three species.

 

[Irishman]

I have very mixed feeling on the money up front thing. I hate to see someone who would hunt it not get an application in due to it. I also hate seeing guys apply their wife’s grandma for it because it doesn’t cost anything

I don't think the money up front thing would make much difference today. The cost of a moose license in 1990 was $50, which is the equivalent of slightly over $125 today so upfronting $125 per license should have about the same effect as the $50 did in 1990.
The number of moose licenses available today is about 60% fewer than in 1990. The population of Montana is about 43% higher today than in 1990 (1.14 million to 799K). So they are giving out on a state per capita basis 30% of the moose licenses that they were in 1990. So based on this alone your odds should be over 3 times worse today, if you reverted to the old system. I would also guess that interest in hunting has increased significantly in the last 36 years - tv shows, then the internet played a big part. Bottom line is that upfronting $125 per species is not going to return things to the good old days, not even close.

 

[golfer]

I did to at one point I’d just hate to see a 12-13 year old get left out with low odds so the dad didn’t wanna put the money up. Like I said it’s mixed feeling for me

IMO this is the same mindset as most of the recent legislation ppl complain about. (Come home to hit, youth season,etc.) Why should the youth get any sorta of advantage? Make it OIL front the fees and no refund on drawing.

 

[cgasner1]

IMO this is the same mindset as most of the recent legislation ppl complain about. (Come home to hit, youth season,etc.) Why should the youth get any sorta of advantage? Make it OIL front the fees and no refund on drawing.

It should be oil. Maybe we change the resident requirement to 20 years also for the big 3 to make sure those kids can’t apply till they are old enough to have a beer in camp

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

It’s very cool to see kids strike gold on permit apps but they don’t need any more
preference other than maybe a reduced license. The bonus point squared option we have is good - everyone can still draw and has a (bad) chance but those in for decades have better odds. Full up front fees and higher non-refundable app fees would do everybody better.

Zero and I mean ZERO would be good about transferring points. People should take those to the grave and lose them if you don’t apply every year. My opinion..

 

[golfer]

It should be oil. Maybe we change the resident requirement to 20 years also for the big 3 to make sure those kids can’t apply till they are old enough to have a beer in camp

They should wait til they are 12 like most the rest of us had to.

 

[cgasner1]

It’s very cool to see kids strike gold on permit apps but they don’t need any more
preference other than maybe a reduced license. The bonus point squared option we have is good - everyone can still draw and has a (bad) chance but those in for decades have better odds. Full up front fees and higher non-refundable app fees would do everybody better.

Zero and I mean ZERO would be good about transferring points. People should take those to the grave and lose them if you don’t apply every year. My opinion..

I’d actually argue that our bonus system with the square is about the best way to draw tags. It really surprises me it’s set up the way it is