Matt Rinella knocking it outta the park

People quit hunting d/t lack of access to quality opportunities. You recruit one new hunter, you push another one out. Build it any they will come. Habitat, new access to public parcels builds opportunity and new hunters fill the void. Anecdotally I’ve talked w/ dozens of former hunters and it is the same story over and over again: I lost access, I lost access, I lost access. Maybe 1 in 10 has a different reason.

R3 was well-intentioned at the outset, but it has been entirely hijacked by the outdoor industry. They want new hunters to buy their gear and services. It is generally irrelevant to them if these newcomers have access to quality hunting opportunities.

Kind of like ESA, R3 has long since migrated away from its original function. I took R3 for granted for a long time - of course we need more advocates….right? But having 10% or 20% more hunters doesn’t accomplish much. In broad strokes, if there are 14M hunters in the US, 20% more is 16.8M, all squeezed into a shrinking box. Something like 85% of Americans are in support of hunting for food - 275 million non-hunters.

It seems like recruiting this block to our values has a lot more opportunity. Things like pushing for all images of killed animals off SM platforms, condemning hunting personalities who break the law and have terrible ethics. Millions of Americans have no clue about wanton waste laws - they think we just kill things for fun, and don’t actually eat game animals. Seems like a huge untapped opportunity to me.
The issue isnt inherently with R3 - its a failure of agencies and legislatures.

Or perhaps wins from special interest.

There were efforts to limit NR bird hunters, but intervention and gaslighting occured.
 
I find this odd?

Where/how did you draw this conclusion?

If you raffle something to get $ for conservation, how and why is it all/only about r3?
If I’m an outdoor company, I need NEW hunters who don’t have any gear, in order to maintain a revenue stream. BHA focuses on college campuses, young people, and more the granola-type hipster than other conservation orgs. The donated products aren’t for “conservation” - they’re to recruit product-buyers. Local chapters focus on recruitment more than anything else - no other focus comes close.

An outdoor company donating to DU, PF, NWTF, etc., a huge percentage of the raffle/auction $$ goes to conservation projects. Not that BHA doesn’t do any of these, but FAR less your other NP’s.
 
You need to be influenced to go turkey hunting because it’s such a stupid hunt. It’s like hunting a stupid deer that only yield a few pounds of meat.

I think our brains our hacked by online influences way more than we would like to admit, I know I’ve been at certain points in life.
I feel so bad for people who have never had to go toe-to-toe with a gobbler on public in the Southeast.
 
Anyone who doesn’t believe the social media effect has altered the distribution of hunters is living on Mars.

Habitat and access loss is 100% a very real and significant issue. Now you have the same amount of kids at recess plus a smaller sandbox.

Now, add to that the increased backcountry use as a result of social media and it becomes harder and harder to find solitude.

I hunted a really cool spring bear unit this year. There was a Peax tipi on every ridge. 10 years ago, you hardly found a soul during spring bear season other than your diehards.

Add in technology such as OnX and it is SO much easier to go out of state to hunt. You still have to find the game, but the information that is available is simply staggering and when you couple that with the social media exposure it’s ludicrous to not believe that has a significant impact.
 
An outdoor company donating to DU, PF, NWTF, etc., a huge percentage of the raffle/auction $$ goes to conservation projects. Not that BHA doesn’t do any of these, but FAR less your other NP’s.
BHA does a lot to make sure we still have public lands on which those other groups can fulfill their conservation missions and places for those college kids to use their gear.
 
So is your belief that companies shouldn't be able to develop and sell products to hunters? And that hunting nonprofits must disavow any corporate connections? I dont see much hope for effective advocacy if thats the case.

When you talk about BHAs drive for recruitment, are you speaking of hunter recruitment or member recruitment?

And where on earth is BHA selling side-by-sides?
The most lucrative advertising market for outdoor companies is handing out free gear to small fry douchebag influencers, who are out their killing and posting everything they can manage to in order to boost their follower count. Companies should feel free to do whatever they want to. It is consumer behavior that matters. If I subscribe to an influencer who gets free products, I am fueling hunting markets. If I buy from companies who hand out free gear to influencers, I fuel hunting markets. It is hard to find companies to buy from that aren’t caught up in this crazy scheme, but there are a few out there.

BHA recruits hunters irrespective of membership, so in this context I’m taking about recruiting hunters.

BHA selling side-by-sides: They’re on the sponsors’ teat, and they can’t get off. Sponsors say, oh, we donate to this and that, and are pro-conservation. But then with their other hand they’re doling out sponsorships and gear to influencers, which pushes hunters on the landscape that are there for likes and subscribers. And blowing up spots, and filming kill-shot porn and the like.
 
I’m not saying it isn’t speeding up, and that also becomes a chicken or the egg issue. Are people leasing because of lost access? Trying to get in while they can? FOMO?
Around here its mostly because you ain't really hunting unless you have a big price you can manage for big bucks, food plots etc. You know just like the guys on TV (dated myself there, shoukdve said social media). It's funny the last few new hunters including the two brothers I took out this last weekend. One of the first things they mention is they can't wait to lease or purchase there own property. But I agree with your chicken or egg sentiment. One thing for sure its not going away anytime soon.
 
I’m not saying it isn’t speeding up, and that also becomes a chicken or the egg issue. Are people leasing because of lost access? Trying to get in while they can? FOMO?
I think people are doing it because hunting, especially with a majority private land ownership, are over hunted.

Just a few threads ago we were talking about upending seasons because of 10k hunter days - turkey and upland hunters have blown past that amount alone.
 
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Maybe someone can educate us all on what happened in the 2023 legislature?

I cant think how pathetic it is that opposing this benefitted exactly 0 constituents.



"SB 525 – Generally revise laws related to hunting licenses and permits - sponsored by Sen. Flowers (D - Bozeman). Bill would have directed FWP to set reasonable caps/limits for licenses, tags or permits that are currently unlimited for nonresidents. This would not have impacted moose, sheep, goat, antelope, deer or elk tags/permits for nonresidents since those are already capped or limited. According to FWP, the number of nonresident hunters in Montana have jumped 80% over the last decade. This bill was designed to help prevent that number from climbing much higher. Additionally, the bill would have strengthened prohibitions on selling/transferring licenses or permits, and it also would have required FWP to give residents an opportunity at surplus permits rather than giving those to nonresidents automatically (as is current practice). The bill was voted down on party lines in the Senate Fish & Game Committee."
 
Maybe someone can educate us all on what happened in the 2023 legislature?

I cant think how pathetic it is that opposing this benefitted exactly 0 constituents.



"SB 525 – Generally revise laws related to hunting licenses and permits - sponsored by Sen. Flowers (D - Bozeman). Bill would have directed FWP to set reasonable caps/limits for licenses, tags or permits that are currently unlimited for nonresidents. This would not have impacted moose, sheep, goat, antelope, deer or elk tags/permits for nonresidents since those are already capped or limited. According to FWP, the number of nonresident hunters in Montana have jumped 80% over the last decade. This bill was designed to help prevent that number from climbing much higher. Additionally, the bill would have strengthened prohibitions on selling/transferring licenses or permits, and it also would have required FWP to give residents an opportunity at surplus permits rather than giving those to nonresidents automatically (as is current practice). The bill was voted down on party lines in the Senate Fish & Game Committee."
Post in thread 'Non resident Landowner incentive.' https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/non-resident-landowner-incentive.318189/post-3583054

Oh wait - nevermind - we dont have enough funding? How did the bma payments double again? 🤔
 

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