LO Battle Ahead?

[Bluffgruff]

First off, this platform still exists for the purpose of making money. There are a lot of employees that Big Fin supports and there are bills and expenses to be paid. I guarantee you that as a business venture, it's not in the red.

Randy has said a number of times this site is a money and time sink. I believe he has said keeps it up for the benefits to the community, but questions that decision regularly.

 

[Hammsolo]

Why not? You’re aware they are currently receiving them and are able to transfer to family right? That bridge has already been crossed.

It hasn’t been crossed. There should be no transfer of funds. I guess I’ll just have my Mom buy and apply each year and she can sell me her tags?

The wildlife is owned by the public. We pay taxes for fish and game to manage them. I am not donating animals to landowners, of which I know many. Wait!?! Are you proposing we each get a small percentage of the sale?

 

[seeth07]

@cgasnar and @mtmuley

Most of the population in this country does not live in OR, CO, WY, UT, ID or MT. Those would be the top 6 states offering more than 75k elk tags annually (CO tops the list at 290 with the last OTC opportunities pretty much).

Serious question for you two:
What do you think a person from outside those states spends annually to try and secure a bull elk tag? Not even talking holding out for glory tags, just simply a rifle any bull tag?

 

[Lostinthewoods]

First off, this platform still exists for the purpose of making money. There are a lot of employees that Big Fin supports and there are bills and expenses to be paid. I guarantee you that as a business venture, it's not in the red. Yes, I feel there is way more passion into the "why" then all the others combined including public lands and wildlife but I'm guessing that it solely doesn't object landowner tags without knowing the details.

Just so I understand your post correct, are you saying the forum (platform) exists for making money? Or that his brand and subsets (FreshTracks, Elktalkpodcast, YouTube) are for making money?

If you meant the first part then you are incorrect. This forum bleeds money, time, and moderators life spans (dealing with silly people and silly threads).

Randy has talked about this in quite a few posts and that’s why I wanted to jump in and offer some perspective.


A few things edited in:

 

[Treeshark]

Are you proposing we each get a small percentage of the sale?

I absolutely am. The state should tax any money made by the transfer of these tags heavily to benefit all residents of the state.

There is a clear pathway to a win-win-win-win scenario here for everyone involved. Dogma, envy and just plain poor understanding of the programs remain the biggest hurdles as this thread has illustrated so well.

 

[cgasner1]

@cgasnar and @mtmuley

Most of the population in this country does not live in OR, CO, WY, UT, ID or MT. Those would be the top 6 states offering more than 75k elk tags annually (CO tops the list at 290 with the last OTC opportunities pretty much).

Serious question for you two:
What do you think a person from outside those states spends annually to try and secure a bull elk tag? Not even talking holding out for glory tags, just simply a rifle any bull tag?

Last year I spent almost 3k on applications and I live in one those states. If I was smart I’d probably keep the money and buy a lo tag. But I view the money I spent as a charitable donation to other Fwp agencies to help them manage game I may never get to hunt.

 

[Potsie]

Sometimes I just want to throw out a [*citation needed*]

 

[Treeshark]

If I was smart I’d probably eat home the money and buy a lo tag. But I view the money I spent as a charitable donation to other Fwp agencies to help them manage game I may never get to hunt.

Ooh boy, you’re walking down the same thought path I was on a few years ago.

Once you realize the “donation” you’re making isn’t making a pinch of difference and those states are actively and gleefully screwing you, you’re on the home stretch

*I saw your earlier jab about me not being able afford an LO tag and wasn’t going to respond- but as you just pointed out, it’s really not unaffordable at all when you do the math and compare it to what you’re currently spending on the draw rat race. And giving money directly to a landowner is doing far more for the resource in most cases than giving it to the state agencies.

 

[cgasner1]

Ooh boy, you’re walking down the same thought path I was on a few years ago.

Once you realize the “donation” you’re making isn’t making a pinch of difference and those states are actively and gleefully screwing you, you’re on the home stretch

*I saw your earlier jab about me not being able afford an LO tag and wasn’t going to respond- but as you just pointed out, it’s really not unaffordable at all when you do the math and compare it to what you’re currently spending on the draw rat race.

Isn’t really a jab when you yourself said that in a different thread that you brought this shit up in. I guess the difference is I accepted that I can give back to the wildlife and not expect anything in return

 

[Treeshark]

I guess the difference is I accepted that I can give back to the wildlife and not expect anything in return

Yep me too. I still play the points/draw game too of course, but it sure is nice to have a better option and the satisfaction of it actually helping the resource even more (if I can ever afford it someday).

 

[rogerthat]

Treecarp has never bought one of these lo tags he speaks of fellas. He just likes to get everyone fired up about it as a way to sooth his hurt feelers that residents are prioritized over nr in game management. How can you get screwed if it’s a donation? To Treecarp types it’s an investment and they demand a return dammit

 

[Treeshark]

Thanks for your valuable contribution to the thread rogertwat

 

[madtom]

I’m not sure that is true. You’re aware many landowners are currently receiving transferable landowner tags (to family for no charge), right?

I’m not saying that bridge you are worried about isn’t valid, but it has already been crossed as well.

You’re overlooking the fact that landowners can only currently use the tags within their family - meaning someone in their family has to be interested in hunting.

Imagine allowing the sale of those tags. Every eligible landowner that currently has no time/interest in hunting is coming out of the woodwork to get their free $30k elk tag.

Tell me that doesn’t affect drawing odds.

 

[Treeshark]

Tell me that doesn’t affect drawing odds.

That doesn’t affect drawing odds.

 

[Treeshark]

How can you get screwed if it’s a donation?

 

[seeth07]

Last year I spent almost 3k on applications and I live in one those states. If I was smart I’d probably keep the money and buy a lo tag. But I view the money I spent as a charitable donation to other Fwp agencies to help them manage game I may never get to hunt.

Ok, that was just the point I was looking to get to. It is getting extremely close to just buying a LO tag and not doing the app bullshit anymore - yes no censorship, it's becoming pure bullshit with how rediculous and expensive it's getting.

A few more states with LO tags and they overall actually get cheaper.

 

[Archer86]

@cgasnar and @mtmuley

Most of the population in this country does not live in OR, CO, WY, UT, ID or MT. Those would be the top 6 states offering more than 75k elk tags annually (CO tops the list at 290 with the last OTC opportunities pretty much).

Serious question for you two:
What do you think a person from outside those states spends annually to try and secure a bull elk tag? Not even talking holding out for glory tags, just simply a rifle any bull tag?

I dont really care what they spend i chose to live in a area that gives me good access to something I enjoy doing. The rest of the country lives where they do for a reason, weather its family, job, or a different hobby but they have a reason why they live where they do.

Also you left out the number one place for elk tags washington they have unlimited otc elk tags for nr

 

[rogerthat]

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So you’re saying western state fish and game agencies are taking our money to pay hush money for rapes and other fraudulent activities? All these state employees living lavish lifestyles of fraudulent rich and fame. Things are much clearer for me now on your position. Thank you!

 

[Treeshark]

Ha yeah, you nailed it dude.

 

[Bighorner]

On hard to draw areas it is conceivable that all of the tags good go to qualifying resident land owners.

If those tags were monitized everyone able to put in would, regardless if they were a hunter.

You would literally be giving someone a guarenreed winning lotto ticket each year. What do you think that does to an already high demand tag? Do you think Aunt May might start putting in for an extra 8K on a piece of ground she sees every couple year? Landowner tags come out of the same pool as the rest of your R or NR tags. If you are down for worse draw odds here's your solution.