DouglasR
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*regardless of what Michael Jackson did
Interesting Prompt For Discussion - Deer Butchering in Public
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It doesn’t matter who anyone votes for. Government is a pyramid scheme shrouded in a dog and pony show to keep the masses enthralled watching the news and fighting amongst ourselves.
So I agree. I just wanna hunt and be left alone.
Now get off my lawn!
rjthehunter
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Hunting has been around since... forever. No one is going to take it away. People might not like hunting, but it's the reason we're here today.
It isn't who they vote for, it's what they vote for, the most effective weapon of the anti-hunters, is the ballot box. Around the country, we have lost hunting bear with hounds, Baiting bear and trapping. there was one state, I recall, that wanted to start a dove hunting season. voters said no.
You can fight the good fight and still loose, but you will never lose the battle that didn't happen. When the battle is inevitable though, it is better to have more allies than enemies.
No, hunting won't go away, it will just be renamed. Poaching.
rjthehunter
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Do you truly believe that's a possibility?
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If I head to the polls to vote and see an initiative to ban hanging deer from trees in Pennsylvania I’m out!!
I’m sure it would have wording so complex that I’d need an attorney to translate for me.
I’m sure it would have wording so complex that I’d need an attorney to translate for me.
Absolutely. When we lost baiting and hound hunting bear here in Oregon and California lost cougar hunting, it became clear that they weren't going to be able to stop hunting all at once but by witling away one piece at a time they would eventually achieve their goal. The ani-hunters don't have the votes to do this on their own so they enlist the help of the non-hunter who wouldn't think hunting is a problem until they are sickened by seeing a dead deer hanging from a tree in front of a school.
richmondrat
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I'm a hunter that lives in Richmond VA, a liberal city in a southern area with a history of whitetail hunting. I wouldn't butcher a deer in my front yard (in front of a school in his scenario) for several reasons but a dead animal in a town full of vegetarians/vegans has to be top of the list. While the man did nothing wrong in my opinion, it can definitely be seen as disrespectful.
I feel like we get so wrapped up in what is 'right' and 'wrong' that we forget about neighborly respect and decency. If someone doesn't want to see a dead animal being butchered (or they want to keep their kids from seeing it), I'm not going to put one up in my front yard across the street from a school.
I think he did a good job trying to put tarps around it for the initial hanging but I would've brought it inside for the butchering of the animal.
I feel like we get so wrapped up in what is 'right' and 'wrong' that we forget about neighborly respect and decency. If someone doesn't want to see a dead animal being butchered (or they want to keep their kids from seeing it), I'm not going to put one up in my front yard across the street from a school.
I think he did a good job trying to put tarps around it for the initial hanging but I would've brought it inside for the butchering of the animal.
VikingsGuy
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I agree in part. No doubt that when hand-to-mouth concerns are settled folks find other places to be dissatisfied - the proverbial first world problems.
But even when times are good for many - it does not mean there are no opportunities for improvement. The challenge right now is deciding which “first world problems” should be pushed. Monetization of wildlife? Excesses of out of state big game hunting? Is the ESA working the way it was intended? Poor management of game populations? Outfitter overreach? Public schools vs vouchers? Police conduct? Prison population? The physical assaults that still happen to LGTBQ populations? Obesity? Industry consolidation? Nuke vs solar? Etc. etc etc etc.
None of these would be “talkers” if we were in a true second Great Depression or WW3 - but that doesn’t mean when not in those existential moments one or more of them shouldn’t be taken up. And once you push any of these issues there will be hurt feelings, outrage, offense, sense of loss by incumbents and pissing matches.
A world of silent bliss is an illusion. Sure we may have relatively quite decades here and there, but the entire 250 year American experiment has been colored with social/political conflict on the emergent issues of that day.
That’s the good thing about a free society. We can and will have hard discussions and problems that absolutely will piss off/offend people. When people stop being offended we’re in trouble. Either a big problem or we’re all thinking the same.
VikingsGuy
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I agree that government is a mess - one that has little chance of picking the right issues to address or the right solutions once addressed.
But it is not some secret cabal/ponzi scheme that makes it so. It is the lack of appreciation (followed by action) that who is in congress is rarely determined on a Tuesday in November, but rather it is decided in local precinct meetings in February, in a caucus in March or primary in June. It is the selection of party nominees that drives our political world, not the selection between those resulting two nominees. Due to history, geography, demographics, cultural self selection, “bubbles”, gerrymandering, etc, the vast majority of political positions are held by party A or party B, not by Bob or Sue. The only way to affect the vote in congress is to get Steve and Sally on the ballot instead. But only the most rabid of partisans on both sides bothers to do the work in Feb, March, June, etc. and so they “win” before we vote. If we whined less and engaged more it could look very different.
But as of today, our government is exactly the government we the people have earned - there is no cabal - we have met the enemy and it is us.
I have no cabal conspiracy, I just think that 85% of our elected officials are there to make themselves rich and gain fame/power. Just like everything else in todays society it’s mostly fake, they go on fox or CNN and bash the other side, but in reality they are all in it together. Some I think get in it for the right reasons then realize it’s a mess and get the “if you can’t beat ‘em join em” mentality.
Give me a congress full of single moms from the inner city working 2 jobs, and some foreman off construction crews. They know how to be efficient on a budget and won’t take bleep off anyone.
Here is what my back yard looks like from end of September through the end of the year. Usually have neighbors checking out the hanging tree and drinking my beer as we admire the groceries. On the other side of my backyard is the local butcher but USDA doesn't allow wild game to be processed there.
Carl 9.3x62
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After watching the news clip, I think folks on this thread are more concerned with this story than anyone in the video clip.
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I agree. I actually just talked to a guy who has kids that go to the school and lives around there. He said most people he talked to about that when it made the news got a good laugh out of it.
BigHornRam
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This is a battle of ideas, our goal is continued societal acceptance.
How do you fight?
1. Hunting ethically, hunting lawfully.
2. Taking the higher road, not coming off like an a-hole
3. Being an ambassador for hunting.
One is pretty self explanatory.
Two, there are a components to this, is just don't try to piss people off, if you know it's gonna be a thing don't make it one. The second component is keeping your cool when getting confronted by anti-hunters, especially if it's on camera, record the incident yourself if you can. Don't curse at them, don't threaten them, tell them you are legally hunting, if you can resolve the incident by being polite call the cops. The victory here is demonstrating how unreasonable the other person is acting.
Three, lot of great folks on this forum. Just be yourself and don't hide that you hunt, goal is for people to be like "oh yeah hunting, well my buddy Will does that and he's a good guy, so yeah it should be legal." This probably isn't all that applicable if you live in rural areas where lots of folks hunt. When I lived in Bozeman definitely not something I was all that worried about. Entirely different story when we moved to Boston.
@DouglasR so about the heads, they are not hidden. Actually I think a applicable story here was thanksgiving. We had a bunch of people over, no one else hunts. We had turkey, some caribou pasties, and then a couple other entrees. It was a pretty mixed group of friends so we made sure there were some for everyone no matter their dietary restrictions, no vegans but some vegetarians . We have some Jewish and Muslim friends so this year I used beef suet instead of pork when I processed my caribou. Anyway we had dinner, we told everyone were the caribou came from, they all saw the euro... and yeah not much to report... "oh cool your hobby contributed to dinner, these pasties are really good." I don't use social media much beyond hunttalk but I post hunts other places occasionally where my non-hunting friends see them. I'm perfectly happy to accommodate folks that don't eat meat and they seem perfectly fine having a buddy that hunts.
I'd like to think there are a number of folks out there that are now more accepting of hunting because of me.
VikingsGuy
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Now you are just pandering for "likes"
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