I should apologize to Randy for this

[Gus Chiggins]

What element are people who are in prison for non violent drug offenses around? Do you think prison reforms these people, helps with their drug addictions, and makes it easier or harder for them once they get out of prison to become a valuable member of society?

In Oregon a lot of those (repeat) non violent drug offenders are living on the streets. Catch and release with zero bond doesn't seem to be working.

Edit: There are also "nonprofit" groups who work on getting violent criminals released. And then sometimes you read they went out and committed more of the same crime, or even murdered someone.

 

[Addicting]

I'd give them a high-quality jury trial within 60 days. One very rigorous round of appeals within the next 9 months and then to the table/chamber within the year. I would do it as retribution and recidivism prevention. I would have no illusion it would stop the next kid killer.

My example would be much much different. Think braveheart.

 

[VikingsGuy]

My example would be much much different. Think braveheart.

In the words of Sarah Palin, "Are you for the Constitution? Or, are you against the Constitution? American voters want to know."

 

[BuzzH]

In Oregon a lot of those (repeat) non violent drug offenders are living on the streets. Catch and release with zero bond doesn't seem to be working.

Edit: There are also "nonprofit" groups who work on getting violent criminals released. And then sometimes you read they went out and committed more of the same crime, or even murdered someone.

So, apparently prison time is really working for those non violent offenders.

Got it.

 

[VikingsGuy]

In Oregon a lot of those (repeat) non violent drug offenders are living on the streets. Catch and release with zero bond doesn't seem to be working.

Edit: There are also "nonprofit" groups who work on getting violent criminals released. And then sometimes you read they went out and committed more of the same crime, or even murdered someone.

Lots of good examples of those nonprofit groups getting off innocent folks.

Also lots of Christian groups that are pushing for significant prison reform - this is not just a liberal issue.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Saw that the Gwyneth Paltro ambulance chaser lawsuit is getting more media coverage than both the trans school shooting and Ukraine war now - but both stories are well behind this earth shattering update: https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-takes-picture-libsoftiktok-creator-storms-off-realizes-who

 

[Gus Chiggins]

Yet, we spend more time, effort, and money...and voting for people, who devote their time pretty evenly between banning books and drag shows, than caring about gun violence.

I think parents should be able to have a say in all of those things. What exactly they say about them in public school board meetings, however, is out of my wheelhouse right now.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Saw that the Gwyneth Paltro ambulance chaser lawsuit is getting more media coverage than both the trans school shooting and Ukraine war now - but both stories are well behind this earth shattering update: https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-takes-picture-libsoftiktok-creator-storms-off-realizes-who

Of course it is. Now that the Murdaugh murder trial and the Johhny Depp divorce/libel trial are both over what the hell else should Americans be invested in?

 

[Gus Chiggins]

So, apparently prison time is really working for those non violent offenders.

Got it.

No, they spend little to no jail time. Caught doing stupid stuff because they're higher than a kite, then they're released back onto the streets, then they do it again. Over and over.

 

[VikingsGuy]

I think parents should be able to have a say in all of those things. What exactly they say about them in public school board meetings, however, is out of my wheelhouse right now.

Most parents have a lot more on their plate than a book on a shelf of a library their kids probably couldn't find. My kid's school had a glorious library - the finest money could buy. Neither of them lifted a book off a shelf in 12 years of attendance. This is phony drama.

 

[devon deer]

When I came on the forum this morning it had one reply, I suspected it would kick off with plenty of differing views.
I read a bit then a topic crept in so I stopped reading.
However, I just thought I would leave you with this stat where I live in a country of 70 million

List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cheers
Richard

 

[Gus Chiggins]

Also lots of Christian groups that are pushing for significant prison reform - this is not just a liberal issue.

Totally agree. But now that both sides have had their chance and flunked, what next? I don't know.

 

[FI460]

No, they spend little to no jail time. Caught doing stupid stuff because they're higher than a kite, then they're released back onto the streets, then they do it again. Over and over.

Sure but our counties down here keep voting down jail expansion bonds. I imagine it's pretty universal. They want these folks in jail but the jail is chronically full and they don't want to pay to build a bigger one.

 

[Gus Chiggins]

Most parents have a lot more on their plate than a book on a shelf of a library their kids probably couldn't find. My kid's school had a glorious library - the finest money could buy. Neither of them lifted a book off a shelf in 12 years of attendance. This is phony drama.

You might think differently if you'd been to an elementary school library I was recently in. Front and center.

 

[The Hedgehog]

When I came on the forum this morning it had one reply, I suspected it would kick off with plenty of differing views.
I read a bit then a topic crept in so I stopped reading.
However, I just thought I would leave you with this stat where I live in a country of 70 million

List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cheers
Richard

There's clearly WAY MORE GOD in the UK.

 

[BuzzH]

No, they spend little to no jail time. Caught doing stupid stuff because they're higher than a kite, then they're released back onto the streets, then they do it again. Over and over.

Like I said, sounds like prison is working wonders for those non violent offenders.

Lets keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

Name for that...

 

[Gus Chiggins]

Lets keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

Name for that...

Democrats in Oregon

 

[Addicting]

In the words of Sarah Palin, "Are you for the Constitution? Or, are you against the Constitution? American voters want to know."

For it and for the ability to loose all the protections that it affords based off your actions.

 

[Gus Chiggins]

Sure but our counties down here keep voting down jail expansion bonds. I imagine it's pretty universal. They want these folks in jail but the jail is chronically full and they don't want to pay to build a bigger one.

They don't want it bad enough yet. Crimes of all sorts will have to get worse, and then they'll either vote for a new jail, or move away.

 

[BuzzH]

Democrats in Oregon

Democrats own the prison system in Oregon? Pull up your pants, your bias is showing...and classic example of why nothing is done about mass shootings.