MThuntr
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Interesting...Could you expand on this observation? Accurate but tumbling don't usually go hand and hand.
Hammer bullets?
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Thinking he means tumbling when inside the animal maybe?
I actually did testing shooting through bottles stuffed with wet rags and found tumbling was a sigificant issue with 6.5 copper bullets. The higher the grain the more likely to have a problem. I was shooting a 1 in 9 twist and Steve at Hammer told me to stick to 125 grain. I did and still had the tumblng issues. I switched to Barnes 125 and did not have that issue but the barnes did not shoot as accurately as the hammers in that rifle. I decided if I want to shoot non lead bullets then I'm not going to use 6.5 caliber. I got a 280 AI and the difference is substantial.
Sheltowee
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Were you shooting the HHTs or one of the older hollowpoint designs?
I seen delayed expansion with the older hp design. The hht fixes that issue
it was 2021
I do not remember which bullet it was but it took a sharp left turn at impact and gut shot antelope smell was on my hands the whole drive home. I will never forget that
Sheltowee
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Yeah, seems like a lot of anecdotal evidence of that. Vaguely recall seeing photos of a Hammer hollowpoint with the meplat folded over after being shot into an elk on a post on this forum, at one point. I've only killed two deer with HHTs but thought their performance was fine.
Yep, here it is: https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/bullet-failure.326684/ Hammer Hunter.
D4570
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I've used a lot of Hammer in asst caliber and chamberings. I have never seen a bullet fail.
You do know you must clean down to steel if you change from jacketed bullet to copper for there best accuracy, back off the lands a bit, and they like to be shot fast. Most hammer bullets will get a 100 fps faster then published speeds at the same load and presser.
I'm working with a 358 win and just ordered 3 packs of 15 to test. I should get 2500 fps and a PBR of 250 yards.
I do see a 15% tariff charge.
With that there $2.53 EACH.
Boy you have to find a "Good" load soon or there advantage goes away fast.
You do know you must clean down to steel if you change from jacketed bullet to copper for there best accuracy, back off the lands a bit, and they like to be shot fast. Most hammer bullets will get a 100 fps faster then published speeds at the same load and presser.
I'm working with a 358 win and just ordered 3 packs of 15 to test. I should get 2500 fps and a PBR of 250 yards.
I do see a 15% tariff charge.
With that there $2.53 EACH.
Boy you have to find a "Good" load soon or there advantage goes away fast.
mevertsen
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Yeah, the Tariff surcharge sucks. Quite a discussion on it at the Hammer site.
2nd time he has raised prices.
2nd time he has raised prices.
Raw materials costing more. mtmuley
mevertsen
Well-known member
I guess I should have said that.
Tumbling isn't an issue brought up with Hammers that I have seen. You talk to Hammer about it? mtmuley
Ballistic
Member
That's exactly what many Bergers do.
Ballistic
Member
I just had an order with the surcharge yesterday. Issue is, the Tariff surcharge is more than enough copper to make 50 bullets costs total. Definitely taking advantage..
How do you know the cost that goes into making these bullets? From start to finish enlighten me. mtmuley
MThuntr
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I was thinking more of external ballistics eg too slow of twist but yes several bullets are designed to tumble on impact
I have not experienced tumbling with hammers but impact velocity was pretty high so that could have something to do with it.
Ballistic
Member
We are not talking about the entire production cost. It clearly states "Raw material Copper surcharge". He's adding a 15% surcharge to the cost of the finished goods, not the raw materials. My entire order would have used about 20-22 oz. of copper even with turning waste accounted for.
20-22 ounces. Are you sure? Where are you getting your numbers? Fill me in please. I need to know. mtmuley
mevertsen
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The cost of his copper went up 50 percent.
He has clearly stated in order to stay profitable, 15% was where they landed for the finished product.
He's also stated if the tariff goes away, so goes the surcharge. If Hammer can find a USA supplier for their specifications, then the surcharge will go away, but the cost of the product will likely go up due to higher cost of USA made product.
Someone else is taking advantage of people, and its not Hammer.
I even looked up something we have ordered for my daughter, its only made in the UK, clearly states on the website the tariff will be added after delivery.
Plenty of other products are adding surcharges or simply raising prices. I'm not sure how many are spelling out what it is and how much it is, vs just doing a price increase.
