Forkyfinder
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Dont forget to click this if you support raffles over auctions
GG vetos Sheep and Moose Lottery Option
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Interesting
If a person spends what they would have into the nonrefundable portion of an app/hunting license as a nonresident in another state, some of these odds are right in line
Forkyfinder
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Whats real laughable though - id bet that a majority of them get sold to residents.
I heard that last year the sheep Super Tag went to an Alaska resident that spent several thousand on chances.
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Math seems odd on that one to me. But if theres no cap on it - more power to him.
44hunter45
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Trying to complete a Slam?
An Alberta bighorn hunt is currently $60-$90k. Math is not my strong point, but it seems that a person could have spent $5,000 this year and had a 1/50 chance of winning.
I know that in some states, people will spend $60k or more on chances to win the sheep raffle tags. I think that Colorado is the only state that limits the number of chances an individual can purchase, but I could be wrong.
If it’s the same guy I was told about, the individuals number of sheep is in 30s. I’d guess slam was complete before he got the tag.
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Last day...
Proof of that statement or just your opinion? Are you speaking for Wyo BHA or as an individual when you make that claim?
Since WSF manages the sheep auction and they are a non-profit (501c), who is making the profit? Do they restrict auction participation to only GG donors such that GG can make sure "the rightful owner of such opportunities, those types that contribute to his campaign and the sort."?
Given your apparent loathing, I am guessing you have equal disdain for Ducks Unlimited (501c and moose auction), RMEF (501c and elk auction), Montana SCI (501c and goat auction), and the Montana Mule Deer Foundation (501c and deer auction)?
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None. Strike 1.
who's making the profit off of sheep auctions?
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I have no use for auction tags, raffle tags I can tolerate because most anyone with a few dollars can afford to buy a chance. I think that was the idea behind the bill that passed in Montana that GG just had to veto. Obviously he doesn't care about the will of the hunters and legislature that passed the bill, his conduct toward wildlife is equally in question. His wildlife convictions aside, he's doesn't have much of a track record in his concern for wildlife (appointments to the commission, selections for director, bills he should have veto'd that he didn't and so on). He also has a clear track record of favoring wealthy hunters and landowners, which he again has proven by the veto of this bill as well as handing out elk tags via helicopter delivery.
All of which to say, comes as no surprise that he would once again kick the hunter of average means in the groin. Those pesky joe six pack hunters don't deserve another raffle tag.
BuzzH
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Depends on the state.
We are talking about Montana and GG, so .......
You stated that "Secondly, if you really want to figure out another reason for the veto, just look into who makes a profit from the auction." So who is making the profit? MWSF runs the auction and they are a non-profit. Please enlighten me.
And is this position one of Wyo BHA or just your opinion? That should be a simple question to answer.
Great - don't play the auction game then.
Hmmmm.... Along with the last six other MT Governors if the 40-yr history of sheep tag auctions is correct. That would include three Democrat and three Republican governors, none of which bothered to change the system. Makes you think it's more about maintaining history and a known funding stream than kicking the average Joe hunter in the groin.
I am perfectly fine with the auction route. Hell, make the minimum bid $250K so even more money can be raised to help put more sheep on the landscape. That helps everyone.
BuzzH
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The groups that get the auction tags, clearly profit from them. Why else would they want them, to lose money? Is that your position, that there is no financial gain from MWSF getting those auction tags? Or DU, or MDF, or RMEF?
Of course they do, intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer. If they don't gain financially from them, then I would suggest they quit taking them.
As to the Wyo BHA question, why would you even think my replies to this thread are anything other than my opinion? Why are you confused about that? If I represent BHA in any of my comments, you won't have to guess when I do.
If you're trying to get me to shut up about wildlife issues, due to the volunteer position I hold with BHA, well, good luck with that. That isn't going to happen, so you need to come up with another chicken-shit ploy.
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Is that right?
With all the good being done "for everyone" via these auction tags, Montana should be issuing more sheep tags in 2025 than 1980...but that just isn't the case. That's strange?
If you are going to make the claim that the auction tags "help everyone" you need to convince me of that notion, since there are less tags in 2025 than were issued in 1980. If the justification for the auction tags is to put more sheep on the mountain (and more tags in average hunters hands) then why has the exact opposite happened?
I guess its just hard to see all the "good" that's been done "for everyone" via the auction tag. Well, unless you're the person buying the tag, that's a clear win for that individual.
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