Freshwater fishing stamp?

[Tom]

We might get one for $5 each, its almost through the legislature.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/tlo/textframe.cmd?LEG=78&SESS=R&CHAMBER=H&BILLTYPE=B&BILLSUFFIX=01989&VERSION=3&TYPE=A

Its for financing the hatcheries.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Where I sometimes walk my dog there's a small pond that the Idaho Dept. of F&G stocks with trout once a month. There's a retired guy who fishes it five days a week all year long and never leaves until he has his limit of trout. I asked what he does with them all and he said he eats them, gives them to his family, friends and neighbors.

The limit is eight, so he's taking 40 fish a week, 2000 fish a year. His license costs $18 a year. Who do you think is subsidizing him? There really oughta be law against taking that many fish. Any idea what 2000 hatchery trout cost the F&G?

 

[BuzzH]

Ithaca, I'd call the fish cops on him. I'd bet he's way over the possession limit, nobody can eat that many fish...especially hatchery reared trout...yuck!

 

[mtmiller]

Good for the old guy getting out there and fishing every day, too bad he is greedy on what he takes from the lake.

Obviously if he is not gifting nearly all of the fish, he is breaking the law (I am assuming there is a possession limit ID) and he should pay the price. If he is staying under the possession limit then I don't know what can be done? Tags? no. Annual limit? not enforceable.

Sounds like a put-and-take fishery that may need more restrictive daily limits. Unfortunately, it would affect all the anglers and not just the fellow whom is exploiting the resouce.

I guess another option, if he is pretty old, is to jump out of the bushes trying to stop his ticker.

 

[Ithaca 37]

I was wrong about the daily limit---it's 6 trout. So, thirty a week for 50 weeks = 1500 per year. There's no limit to how many you can have in possession at your place of storage. The old guy's legal, but we're losin' our ass! If he's over 65 he only pays $4.50 for his license!

Here's where to find Idaho regulations:

http://www2.state.id.us/fishgame/fishgame.html

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[Elkhunter]

There's no limit to how many you can have in possession at your place of storage.

Ithaca, the way I read it is that he that he may be in violation of the bag limit if he has more than 6 in his possession.

BAG LIMIT: The maximum number of fish that may be lawfully harvested by any person in one day. The term "bag limit" shall be contrued to be an individual, independent effort and shall not be interpreted in any manner as tto allow an individual to take more fish than their "bag limit" and including them in filling the "bag limit" of another. The bag and possession limit are equal, except where listed in region exceptions and for salmon and steelhead.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Go to "Possession Limit" on page 9. How do you copy that? I don't know how to copy pdf. files. When I try to highlight them nothing happens.

 

[Ten Bears]

So now you have a problem with people fishing the put-n-take ponds? Give me a break.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, You really can be an ignoranus. I don't have any problem with people fishing the put and take ponds, but this guy is really taking advantage of the situation. Try calculating how much his 1500 fish costs the F&G (us other fishermen). You think he's ethical?

Many fishermen who don't take advantage of the rest of us think there should be a system for people to pay their fair share of the cost of hatchery trout. I suppose you don't.

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[Ten Bears]

IT, I think the word your were looking for is "ignoramus", or maybe you were really wanting to call me an ignorant @$$. Either way, how intellectual of you.

I was merely making an observation in reference to your somewhat invalid complaint about some guy who probably has little else to do in life but go fishing.

How many people buy fishing licenses and don't even eat fish? How many buy fishing licenses and keep fish, but don't keep hatchery fish? What is the life expextancy of a hatchery fish after planting?

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[Ten Bears]

Tell me what is "unethical" about what he is doing.

Unethical would be he wastes the fish. Who are his "freinds" and neighbors that he gifts the fish to? When I was younger, I had a grandmother and other elders who were to old to fish for themselves, but were glad to receive fish when I returned from trips afield.

There is a system for paying the cost of rearing hatchery trout. It's called a fishing license fee.

 

[Delw]

This is an easy one to address Ithaca... then I have to go back and do some more reading on the dam issue( I aint done with that one yet)

The guy is doing nothing illegal... Hatchery fish are so cheap its rediculious when you buy the quanities that game and fish by your talking less than a cent a piece in most case's....

But here is something to remember... for that one guy catching his limit every day there are people who pay into the system and dont catch one fish in a whole year and or only fish 3 days a year... so people like the guy you mentioned are not draining the system..
However if everyone did it then game and fish would either raise the cost of thier fishing licence or lower the limits on hatchery raised fishing ponds.

Monies from fishing licence's go towards the stock trout programs in most states and so does alot of other moneys either donated or tax'd....


Here in AZ people are encouraged to take as many trout as possible (in the lower elevations) due to the fact they have a very small chance of making it through our summers....

I relize its not the same in Idaho due to the fact that the waters are colder and you get hold overs.....

Now I agree with buzz that hatchery fish taste like crap(you can taste the difference)... I dont keep fish at all unless they are walleye or if I lived back up in washington ...

You have every right to tell him he is abusing the system just like he has every right to telll you to f-off and mind your own business

As long as he is legal nothing can be done....
Delw

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, Ignoranus is just what it sounds like.

You guys are right--nothing illegal about what he's doing. Suppose 1000s of fishermen did it? It's behavior like his that leads to more laws and regulations that you guys are always complaining about.

There are also bluegill ponds nearby that really do need thinning out, but he only wants trout. Kinda crazy, I think! I'd much rather eat bluegills than hatchery trout!

 

[Ten Bears]

IT, like I said, "how intellectual of you", and BTW you didn't answer the questions. Your "what ifs" are unfounded, and I think your "losing" the "debate"

Now you're insinuating that there should be a law or regulation which required a person to fish for different species of fish on different days?

You complaint is still invalid, and I'm sure that statewide there are nearly 1000 paople that fish the put-n-take pounds heavily, but if they keep only their limit, I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, "Now you're insinuating that there should be a law or regulation which required a person to fish for different species of fish on different days?" Where'd I insinuate that?

So for $4.50 anyone over 65 can catch 6 hatchery trout a day in a put and take pond , 365 days a year and that's not taking advantage?

 

[Delw]

Ithaca... is he abusing the system? No he is legal.... you are ASSUMING he is abuseing it and insinuating that as well....

the guy is with in the SYSTEMS laws.....


But now lets turn this on the flip side...
is the SYSTEM abusing the people that only fish one time in the year and still have to buy a licence? Or a friend that comes in from a different state and has to buy a non resident licence for using it for a few hours to fish with another friend?
Delw

 

[Delw]

Fact:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Eyed trout eggs are readily available from private trout enterprises, easy to hatch and much cheaper than fish. Eyed eggs cost $4.00 to $6.00 per thousand, while fingerlings cost $60.00 to $80.00 per thousand (These cost figures may be low - check with the WGF for today's prices). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The state of Idaho produces the most trout in the United States (41 million pounds sold in 1998). North Carolina leads trout production (3.5 million pounds sold in 1998) in the southeastern states<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Delw

 

[Ten Bears]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> "Now you're insinuating that there should be a law or regulation which required a person to fish for different species of fish on different days?" Where'd I insinuate that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let's see:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> It's behavior like his that leads to more laws and regulations that you guys are always complaining about.
There are also bluegill ponds nearby that really do need thinning out, but he only wants trout. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some bass should thin those pesky bluegills in a hurry, and maybe that fisherman would go catch some bass, and give your dear hatchery trout a rest.

 

[Ithaca 37]

Ten, Please explain to us not so familiar with the English language how that quote is insinuating there should be a law or regulation requiring what you said.

 

[Ten Bears]

IT, go back, read what you wrote - slowly this time, and answer the queations I asked of you.

In response to your question: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> So for $4.50 anyone over 65 can catch 6 hatchery trout a day in a put and take pond , 365 days a year and that's not taking advantage?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The answer is YES they can, and NO I don't see it as taking advantage of the "system".

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