It's interesting that some cartridges are similar in other countries. There might be some simple deviations, but they are real close in many ways. It's like human nature drew developers in the same direction as they looked for functionality and performance. And that some have become scarce while others have thrived depending on popularity and marketing. Some of the scarce calibers have been really great performers.I have been asked by a couple fellows to respond to this thread. To be honest the number of calibers that have become obsolete, with the hunting populace , especially in the U.S. is staggering for someone my age. So many fine calibers have fallen out of favor in my lifetime.
Sir, I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I would respond. The 8mm mauser is in fact similar to the 30-06, perhaps a bit weaker and some still have and use them in Europe, not so much anymore in Africa.One interesting round was the 8mm German Mauser. It gained some popularity for a while but you don't hear much anymore about an 8 mm. My understanding is, it was real close in performance to the 30-06 but bullet selection and options was not great.
JES is JES Reboring in Oregon. Do a quick Google search. He rebores about anything. Lots of guys send stuff to get it turned into 35 Whelens, 338-06, 358 Win, etc. He usually has about a 2-3 week turnaround time and charges around $250 plus shipping. It's a great way to revive and old -06 or a 308, and I've never seen anyone say their gun wasn't a shooter, or that they were not happy with his work.Gunner,
Who is JES?
And why would i send them a rifle to do 338 Fed when i can get a 24" (or shorter) E.R.Shaw barrel reamed, polished, blued, with 11 degree recessed crown delivered to my door for $272, and put on myself?
Plus having the satisfaction, much like hand loading, of doing it yourself.
So there is hope for my Browning 223 WSSM. I read somewhere that the barrel can't be swapped, or vary difficult without cracking it. So maybe going up in caliber might be a solution. It's kind of a unique action size and not much you can do with it.JES is JES Reboring in Oregon. Do a quick Google search. He rebores about anything. Lots of guys send stuff to get it turned into 35 Whelens, 338-06, 358 Win, etc. He usually has about a 2-3 week turnaround time and charges around $250 plus shipping. It's a great way to revive and old -06 or a 308, and I've never seen anyone say their gun wasn't a shooter, or that they were not happy with his work.
I have a couple buddies that hunt elk with .280s. That's all they use. I've seen a lot of elk killed by that round.I have to agree with what people said about the 280. For some reason according to all the internet experts out there it isn't capable of killing anything bigger than a deer. I love my Remington 700 mountain in 280 just wish it was left handed.
The only gun I have that's suitable for class 2 or 3 game is the obsolescent 300 H&H magnum - granddaddy to almost countless other magnums. Ballistically, it's almost identical to the 300 Win Mag, which won out because it doesn't require a true magnum-length receiver.
Due to the recoil and availability/price of ammo, I'd love to get something smaller for class 2 and keep the H&H for class 3 only, but I've been back and forth about which chambering. The reduced recoil of a short-chamber is appealing - especially as I have a daughter and no plans for a son. A quarter-bore is really what I want, but the only real option is the 25-06 - the 257 Roberts going the way of my H&H maybe due to older chambers that can't handle the +P loads. I'd never heard of the 25 Souper, but it seems like that would be an ideal round for one of the manufactures to standardize - that or revitalize the Bob+P. Especially given the warm reception the 7mm-08 has received from a new (or aged) generation that has no desire to try to control unnecessary '06 or magnum recoil for shots on deer at reasonable distances.
Then again, there's not much separation between a quarter-bore and the offerings at .264/6.5. Maybe I need to just put on a tweed coat and felt hat and buy a 6.5 Swede or 260 Rem or grow a man-bun and buy a 6.5 CM.