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The Energy Bill:
Fewer Fish and Fewer Hunting Opportunities

By Craig Sharpe, Executive Director

From: Montana Wildlife
A Publication of the Montana Wildlife Federation
Volume 28 • Number 2• February/March 2004

Imagine arriving at your favorite fishing spot only to find the river is now so high in bicarbonates that few, if any, fish survive. Or you head for your favorite spring creek to find it all dried up. Maybe you venture to your best pronghorn hunting area only to discover its now a web of roads, powerlines, waste pits and a gas well or two on every 20 acre patch. Sound farfetched? It’s already happening in some places, and may get worse if the energy bill currently before the US Senate is passed. In a recent article for Field & Stream magazine, writer Ted Kerasote summed it up this way: “If these energy policies continue, we will have more rivers without fish and fewer hunting opportunities.”

In late January, I helped organize a trip to Washington DC, sponsored by Trout Unlimited, accompanying a half dozen other hunters and anglers from throughout the Rockies, including fellow Montanans Stoney Burk, of Choteau, and Ryan Busse, of Kalispell. When we sat down with a legislative aid to Montana Senator Conrad Burns, and said we had concerns about how the energy bill might impact hunting and fishing, she shot back, “Well that’s because it’s an energy bill, not a hunting and fishing bill.” When I handed her a summary of our concerns, she tossed it back at me, saying, “I don’t read those, because I know they’re not accurate.” It was obvious that neither she nor Burns had any interest in hearing us out. Another meeting, with an aid to Senator Baucus, was more friendly, but still disappointing. Baucus has shown support for the bill, and appears to be less aggressive on his previous commitments to protect the Rocky Mountain Front. Congressman Rehberg also supports the energy bill, having helped push it through the House.

At a symposium conducted by Montana Wildlife Federation (MWF) last September in Choteau, dozens of anglers, hunters, outfitters, ranchers, businessmen, tribal leaders and other local Montanans spoke of the importance of the Rocky Mountain Front for wildlife, hunting and fishing, and spoke against policies that would open parts of these wildlands to expanded gas and oil development. Noticeably absent, though invited, were any representatives from Burns, Baucus or Rehberg’s offices.

Some elected officials in DC seem more interested in doling out some $28 billion in tax breaks and subsidies to the oil and gas industry, and turning them loose on our public lands, than listening to the concerns of constituents.

For Montana, the Energy Bill would mean further expansion of Coal Bed Methane development in eastern Montana, and calls for “expediting” energy development in places like the Rocky Mountain Front.

The bill would exempt energy companies from key parts of the Clean Water Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, diminish public participation and weaken regulations that protect fish and wildlife. More specifically, the bill would:

Allow for drilling fluids and other byproducts of gas and oil development to be injected into the ground, potentially contaminating rivers, streams, wells and groundwater.
Require the Bureau of Land Management to make decisions on new energy development applications within 10-30 days, making it nearly impossible for the agency to conduct crucial analysis necessary to protect fish and wildlife.
Undermine traditional multiple-use management of public lands by requiring documentation of any actions that have “a significant adverse effect on the supply of domestic energy resources from Federal public lands,” giving energy development priority over fish and wildlife habitat, hunting, fishing and other recreational activities.
Perpetuate the idea that important seasonal restrictions and limitations on development put in place to conserve fish and wildlife habitat conservation and protecting water are “impediments” to energy development.
Allow the Interior Department to designate utility and pipe line corridors across public lands (including wilderness areas, wild and scenic river corridors and National Parks and Monuments) without accountability or input from the public.
What does this mean for Montana’s fish and wildlife? More than 22 million acres—24 percent of Montana—falls within areas of recoverable gas and oil where development could occur. Nearly 25 percent of Montana’s mule deer habitat, 26 percent of pronghorn habitat, 16 percent of sage grouse habitat and 15 percent of our elk habitat falls within areas of potential gas and oil development. More than 15 percent of all trout habitat in the five Rocky Mountain states fall within areas containing gas and oil reserves (including 50 percent of Yellowstone cutthroat trout habitat, nearly 40 percent of fine spotted and Bonneville cutthroat habitat, and 20 percent of Colorado River cutthroat habitat). Potential impacts include reduced water quality, reduced water quantity, loss of fish and wildlife habitat, wildlife habitat fragmentation, wildlife habitat disturbance, reduced wildlife habitat security, increased wildlife vulnerability and diminished aesthetics and loss of wild places.

Following our visit to the nation’s Capital, Senator Burns released a statement in defense of the energy bill: “Here’s the simple truth,” he said, “without it, we will continue to face soaring natural gas prices and limited access to affordable energy…with today’s technology there’s no reason to choose between energy production and recreation. We can do both.”

Reports from the US Department of Energy and US Geological Survey show that 88 percent of recoverable natural gas in the Rockies falls within areas already open to gas and oil development, with little if any restrictions—enough to meet our energy needs for the next 35-40 years. According to the US Energy Information Administration, streamlining environmental reviews and increasing access to federal natural gas on public lands (as the energy bill will do) would increase supplies by less than one percent and save the average U.S. household $5 per year through 2020. The simple truth is this: The potentially devastating impacts to fish, wildlife and our hunting and angling heritage is not worth what little there is to gain. Energy can be done right, but this bill rewards industry for irresponsible development. We do not need to expedite development, undermine conservation regulations, exempt the industry from the Clean Water Act, and open up the last of our wildlands to meet our energy needs. These outrageous policies—hatched in secrecy by President Bush’s Energy Task Force headed by Vice President Cheney—are already beginning to have severe impacts.

A study on Montana’s Tongue River indicates a dramatic decline—as high as 70 percent—in mayflies, caddisflies, dragonflies and other macroinvertabrates caused by coal bed methane discharges. The American Fisheries Society warns that the release of toxic bicarbonates from coal bed methane wastewater can have serious impacts on fisheries. The Bureau of Land Management states that “indirect discharge of concentrated salts from evaporation basins may have profound effects on fish and aquatic life.” A report by the Montana Department of Environmental Quality’s Industrial and Energy Minerals Bureau states that coal bed methane wastewater “may have substantial adverse chemical impacts on irrigated lands and crops, livestock, wildlife and fish populations.”

Montana Rancher and MWF member Clint McRae, of Forsyth, puts it this way: “I live in an area where there is approximately 10,000 coal bed methane wells planned, and at a spacing of one well every 80 acres, with each of these wells initially producing 60 gallons of water per minute, this will wreak havoc on wildlife, wildlife habitat and agriculture. I too use energy from natural resources, but that does not mean that I am willing to prostitute my ranch of the public wildlife and habitat for a short term gain.”

If, as Burns suggests, technology can prevent impacts to wildlife and fisheries, and we can have both, it’s not being done on the ground. Gas and oil development is spreading across Wyoming like cancer, choking crucial migratory corridors for pronghorn and mule deer, causing disturbance on crucial winter range, and impacting wildlife far beyond the “small footprint” that some politicians and industry folks often tout. In the Big Piney-LaBarge oil and gas field in Wyoming, the physical area of structures, roads, pipeline, pads and waste pits covers only 7 square miles. However, the entire 166 square mile landscape is within ½-mile of a road, and 160 square miles—or 97 percent of the landscape—is within ¼ mile of a road. Similar developments are proposed throughout the West.

Certainly we need new energy policies to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and increase our nation’s security. However, we do not need to sacrifice America’s fish, wildlife and hunting and angling heritage. We need a more balanced, common-sense policy that promotes responsible, environmentally and economically sound energy development; emphasizes efficient methods of energy use and extraction, and seeks to expand the development of alternative and renewable sources of energy.

In 1910, President Theodore Roosevelt said, “I recognize the right and duty of this generation to develop and use the natural resources of our land; but I do not recognize the right to waste them, or to rob, by wasteful use, the generations that come after us.”

Our elected officials should heed Roosevelt’s advice, listen to the hunters and anglers of Montana, and develop a more prudent and conservative energy policy that does not sacrifice our public lands, fisheries, wildlife and hunting and angling heritage.

In the words of Montana Rancher Karl Rappold, of Depuyer: “If we’re this short of gas that we have to ruin every last piece of ground, it’s time we found a new source of energy. We need some of these places left just the way they are, just the way nature created them.”
 
I don't know about all of this, but one thing for certain, they are handing out extra elk tags this year to a few, that is way better than has been for many years.
I see lots of deer in places that five years ago, there weren’t many, I can go down little streams with hip waders and pull out some 150 fish in a day off of grasshoppers.
The places I frequent in the mountains when I am on my extended cross country outings, seem for the most part to be untouched by modern civilization and man. I found a lost town in the mountains by Dillon that was pretty much over grown and definitely deserted. No signs of ax or motor have touched this area for a hundred years, the trees and brush have taken it over and it’s only inhabitants are squirrels, rabbits and birds.
I have a place in the Big Hole Valley that I like to go to for the late elk season, there is an old guide camp that I found which is slowly being taken over by our Earth Mother. Nature by it’s very essence isn’t an over night thing as people would like to see or believe, but a slow and steady process, eating away at any signs that man was there.
There is a chunk of ground that is just out of Anaconda that had all of the markings of man at the turn of the century into the late 40's, but that to is slowly disappearing into the gulf of Earth Mother reclaiming her own and putting back what was once devastated. Life abounds in these places, no matter what any doomsayer and drum rattler would have every one believe.
This planet will heal any scars put upon it, over time, by man or nature.
 
I would bet the reason hunting is devestated as we know it was because of the picture I posted last year...Buzz even said so, so that makes it so!!!
 
I don't know about all of this...
Elkchsr, very true. You should have stopped at that. Anyone that can read that article and see no problems with what's happening concerning this energy bill isn't a true sportsman. I suspect that you didn't even read it, but just wanted to attack the poster.

There is a chunk of ground that is just out of Anaconda that had all of the markings of man at the turn of the century into the late 40's, but that to is slowly disappearing into the gulf of Earth Mother reclaiming her own and putting back what was once devastated.
For a moment, I'll take a leap and assume you know what you're talking about. What this quote means is that you are willing to give up the areas mentioned in the article for the next 70-100 years in order to "increase[natural gas] supplies by less than one percent and save the average U.S. household $5 per year through 2020." Great idea...that makes a lot of sense to me. But then again, I do have a very pro-wildlife agenda.

Oak
 
Elkchsr, give it a rest you idiot, you are a clueless excuse of a human being.

I have a challenge for you, how about I post a picture of you and your trophy cow phucking contest and see how many people here find it offensive???

I for one, am totally sick of your shit. I wasnt the only person who had a problem with your immature photo...I mean lets get real here, I dont know many people who find a picture of a supposed "sportsmen" phucking a dead cow elk that humorous, maybe its just me....


Grow up dimwit....


Oak, thanks for sticking to the topic at hand, I rest assured that real people like yourself, are the ones that will be in charge of our public wildlife and its management...all I can say is "thanks" for caring until you're better paid....

Buzz
 
I didn't see you putting moosies pic of him and his buck any where. This is showing your hypocrisy. Or is it just the fact if some one you don't like does some thing distasteful to you it is wrong and those you like are not wrong. You can't have it both ways, no matter what names you call. I see your higher learning showing, only confirming to any reading your posts, collage isn't all its cracked up to be, especially if this is the ignorance that comes out of these institutions. Or maybe it's just that you are so sour at your lot in life that any one you see that’s against what ever it is you preach is the ultimate enemy. Be as ignorant as you like, these are only words, it is only the internet, and you can never win any of these debates no matter how right you may be...LMAO!!!!

One thing I can say about all of my checks I receive is they don't all come out of public coffers. ;)
 
Elkchsr, try to make sense when you post.

Lets see, you fight fires and all your checks dont come from the "public coffers"?

Really? Tell us where the funding for that comes from.

Theres only a tiny bit of info you need to know about what you call, "collage" that would be "college" to the rest of the world that graduated from 3rd grade, anyway, always remember that while you're busy playing ditch digger getting paid peanuts, that the people making important management decisions are those pesky "collage" dudes, and they're getting paid very well for it too....
 
LMAO Buzz....
As usual...You only gloss over what was said and jump to the end of a conclusion with out actually reading what was posted...You are so funny some times....
"One thing I can say about all of my checks I receive is they don't all come out of public coffers."
That is the post since I know you will be to lazy to jump back up to posts and read it...
Part of my checks came from killing trees for a private contractor and part of them also came from working in Ut. helping to put together a cookie factory...

The other part of what I posted, is that you don't seem to be a very good representation of the arts of higher learning....HAHAHAHA!!!!Some day you will get it...Well, if you haven't by now, you probably won't...LMAO!!!! ;) :D
 
I'd be more than willing the pay the price difference. That is my biggest problem with much of the drilling issues, is that often times the amount that is retrievable is not that great and IMO often doesn't off-set the evironmental costs.

Elkchsr- Say all the negative things you want about higher education, but remember these are the people that will be making the rules in the future. Wouldn't your energy be better spent trying to change/improve the educational system? Besides, even GW went to a liberal, east coast, yuppie school! ;)
 
Tyler.
I have higher educational learning;)
It is just silly to see those that do have it rub others noses in the fact they don't. I do believe as I stated over your dinner table with your gracious wife and yourself and am still gratefull that you invited me, with higher learning comes also much field work and the higher learning should only supplement that which you learn in real life. Much more is garnered from this than just going to school and coming out with the thoughts that one now knows every thing and only later realize that they barely at the time knew nothing... I came out of my schooling with the same lofty thoughts and now fully understand that of which I speak...
 
Elkchsr, I agree, with that post, school alone doesnt cut it...

But, what I'm wondering do you suppose 18 years of work experience in the natural resource field combined with a degree in forestry (weighted heavy in Natural Resource Policy and silvicultural) meets your requirements of a mix of school and field work?
 
I don't know, you haven't posted civil enough to really find out except on rare occasions, and yes on those occasions, I would fully agree that you stated your case very well....
 
Originally posted by ELKCHSR:
I didn't see you putting moosies pic of him and his buck any where. This is showing your hypocrisy. Or is it just the fact if some one you don't like does some thing distasteful to you it is wrong and those you like are not wrong.


One thing I can say about all of my checks I receive is they don't all come out of public coffers. ;)
Elkchsr,

With respect to Moosie's picture, it did not cross the line in most people's mind. Certainly not in mine. Yours did cross the line and was taken down, properly. Hunttalk is a place with low standards, and Moosie is the master of bad tasted, but somehow, you were able to show such poor judgment, even Moosie had to take it down. There was no conspiracy against you. :rolleyes:


You have been calling anybody that posts anything that makes sense, a Communist/Socialist/Lib. Do you know what those terms mean? You use them incorrectly, so I was wondering if you actually know?

Could you define Socialist and Communist, and then compare that to your statement on your checks? You are the biggest beneficiary of Socialism I know, but yet you don't like it? :eek:
 
You guys ever think that maybe our lawmakers are listening to our citizens on energy issues? I mean the one's screaming; "More, Cheaper"! Sometimes I get the impression that the folk who really care about our wilderness and "get it" are very few in numbers. When I see what we are doing to our land by way of mining and drilling it kind of looks like the same way we approached the problem of expanding into Native American territories. :(
 
Paws,

I think I agree with you on this one.... (Exception being the lawmakers are not listening to "citizens", but more likely interests that have the ability to bend the ear of the politicos.)

And I think those of us that "get it" are trying to spread the word. Even here in Sportsmans Issues, we try to spread the word. We all have different approaches and styles, but as long as people keep reading, they are learning, which is never a bad thing.
 
And pray tell Gunner, what is the difference, besides he's the boss and I am not!!! Come on now, there really wasn't much difference and the intent was exactly the same...

"You have been calling anybody that posts anything that makes sense, a Communist/Socialist/Lib. Do you know what those terms mean? You use them incorrectly, so I was wondering if you actually know?"

Yes I do understand what they mean, and from what I have seen, it seems to hold pretty true, making sense???
Well I suppose you can justify any thing you want to in your own mind, you do it often. I know you can't see it, but most every one else does.

"Could you define Socialist and Communist, and then compare that to your statement on your checks? You are the biggest beneficiary of Socialism I know, but yet you don't like it?"

I will take this as you don't know very many people, even though I would really think that was stretching it!!!
It is a pretty far fetched comment though and since you know me so well, I would like you to clarify how you came to such a silly conclusion, before you tell me that it is because I collect fire dollars for work done, which would be a truism, that is about the extent of it. There are some services this country needs, law, police, military, fire fighters. I will need to clarify that there are other trades in this list also, just so you don't jump to conclusions as you so readily seem to want to do, but there are also a larger number of jobs the government doesn't need to be in.
Now start the huge list of Socialistic tendencies that I portray on a regular basis.
Note: Post was run thru spell check for Gunners amusement!!! ;)
 
So.... I guess you don't know what Socialism is.... Or you would have defined it.

Can you please tell me why we need to spend Millions of dollars fighting range/forest fires? And how the dollars we spend are not just another Social program? Have you ever noticed all the Indian crews on the fires?

It is funny that you put fire fighters in the same category as Police, Military, and Law. Do you not differentiate between Firemen (those who fight structure fires, rescue cats from trees, etc..) and fire crews (those that dig ditches, prune bushes, etc...)?
 
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