Endangered Grizzly Bear Photo Thread

In post #3750, @theat told about running into someone with a sheep tag hunting two years after taking a ram. So, it sounds like it happens. If there is any loophole, someone will exploit it.
I agree, thats why Im saying this seems like an easy thing for the department to look into. We have an anecdotal report of at least one guy doing it, we can all see that the system lets you purchase the tag with in the wait period.
Just how pervasive is it? Sending out a letter to those guys who have purchased the tag would be a good start. If anyone has harvested in the wait period, they should be easy to find.
 
The days of 30-60 tags ended in 2010. Now it’s 130-160.
It looks like the most sold in the 500's since 1985 was 130 in one of the more popular units in 2020. 75 folks actually hunted the tag. Appears there was some ambition during the first year of the cornonavid. 55 actually hunted the unit in 2021.
 
Huntin’ Fool claims 164 in 300, 148 in 303, 126 in 500, 159 in 501, and 119 in 502 for 2022. That link shows a harvest in 500 for 2022, which was not a ram, ewe or lamb. Who is a guy supposed to believe?
Ha! I can see how you're hesitant to trust the site.

The folks (or singular folk, rather) at R5 keep tabs on how many tags were sold and how many actually hunted in each of their units. The info I have for R3 does not contain that breakdown.
 
Ha! I can see how you're hesitant to trust the site.

The folks (or singular folk, rather) at R5 keep tabs on how many tags were sold and how many actually hunted in each of their units. The info I have for R3 does not contain that breakdown.
When you see the draw stats in the proclamation that are 100% useless and meaningless you have to doubt all data obtained from that source.
 
I'm fairly certain that those numbers are skewed from what I've been told. They don't account for the people who purchase the tag outright in their statistics. They only account for the amount that apply for the tags in the "draws" even through they're guaranteed...

Maybe that was already stated though.
 
Hey all, just got done catching back up. Speaking on information from FWP. The sheep regulations state at the top of the unit listings a ram from unlimited sheep units must be physically presented within 48 hours of harvest. It then later says under the unit in the table a harvest must be reported within 48 hours (if I’m not mistaken it used to say 24 hours to report). So if this has changed does it have to be both within the 48 or just reported within the 48?

If you harvest a ram and report it (call/web) at hour 12 does that leave 36 hours to get it physically checked or do they start a new 48 hour clock from that point? Do they give you some other deadline or? I know some people have had FWP meet them at trail heads, parking lots or other places.

Figured I would bring this up as we are on the subject of FWP and clarity. I have seen a lot of opinions on this.
 
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Anyone caught doing that should be treated like they are hunting without a license, since they can't legally hunt for 7 years. Throw the book at them and give them a lifetime ban on top of everything.
I agree. Just because there is a flaw in the system that allows you to buy the license, doesn't change the fact that you're breaking the rules. If you buy any license, it comes with limitations and rules on how you can use it.
 
Long time lurker. Enjoyed the heck out of this thread for sure. Looking at giving her a go this year? Anyone need a partner? Got two weeks off in sept and figured might as well see what it’s all about.
 
I agree. Just because there is a flaw in the system that allows you to buy the license, doesn't change the fact that you're breaking the rules. If you buy any license, it comes with limitations and rules on how you can use it.

Sure, one should do what they know is the correct application of the law. I would wonder whether one is applying the law correctly if Montana’s own software is applying it differently.

A judge is very likely to be sympathetic to the hunter if he is acting consistent with the agency’s software. Maybe Montana should simplify their regs if they are confusing their own software developers. And they haven’t fixed this despite multiple reports.
 
I'm fairly certain that those numbers are skewed from what I've been told. They don't account for the people who purchase the tag outright in their statistics. They only account for the amount that apply for the tags in the "draws" even through they're guaranteed...

Maybe that was already stated though.

As far as I know, you’re correct.

I know that someone has asked FWP about this and got nowhere with it.
 
Sure, one should do what they know is the correct application of the law. I would wonder whether one is applying the law correctly if Montana’s own software is applying it differently.

A judge is very likely to be sympathetic to the hunter if he is acting consistent with the agency’s software. Maybe Montana should simplify their regs if they are confusing their own software developers. And they haven’t fixed this despite multiple reports.
If you said you lost your elk tag, and FWP allowed you to buy a replacement tag, can you now shoot 2 elk? Would the judge be sympathetic because the system allowed you to buy a second tag?
The regulations are the law.
 
I've been through this whole thread once but was wondering if anyone had any recommendation on books about hunting and hiking the Absarokas? I can't seam to find any of Duncan Gilchrists books still in print.
 
If you said you lost your elk tag, and FWP allowed you to buy a replacement tag, can you now shoot 2 elk? Would the judge be sympathetic because the system allowed you to buy a second tag?
The regulations are the law.


I wonder what the folks who bought an unlimited license before their seven year wait was up thought would happen if they killed a ram even though the regs clearly specify a seven year wait is required?

Sounds like a guaranteed way to have your ram seized and a hefty fine unless your last name happens to begin with a B and ends with something that rhymes with plodington.
 
I've been through this whole thread once but was wondering if anyone had any recommendation on books about hunting and hiking the Absarokas? I can't seam to find any of Duncan Gilchrists books still in print.
This book is still in print and is helpful with some off trail routes, photos, and how to supplement your back country protein beyond freeze dried and @EYJONAS! salami. Even has an unsavory Atlanta lawyer and realtor bighorn hunting story in it under Big Park Lake.
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I wonder what the folks who bought an unlimited license before their seven year wait was up thought would happen if they killed a ram even though the regs clearly specify a seven year wait is required?

Sounds like a guaranteed way to have your ram seized and a hefty fine unless your last name happens to begin with a B and ends with something that rhymes with plodington.

You forget the lamb exception. They are the best eating, after all.
 
I've been through this whole thread once but was wondering if anyone had any recommendation on books about hunting and hiking the Absarokas? I can't seam to find any of Duncan Gilchrists books still in print.
The fwp website also has a download able book as well which has fishing reports and some other details as well.

Make sure you check out Ram and Ewe lake. Pretty sweet little day hike it's just right off the road even.
 
I've been through this whole thread once but was wondering if anyone had any recommendation on books about hunting and hiking the Absarokas? I can't seam to find any of Duncan Gilchrists books still in print.
There’s also a “Hiking the Beartooths” book published by Falcon Press. I don’t own it, but have found that publisher’s other hiking books to be informative on the regions they cover and specific areas within.
 
I can't seam to find any of Duncan Gilchrists books still in print.
There are some still in print. Lookup Stoneydale Press in the Bitterroot. I’d even give a call and see if they’ve got anything not listed on their site. Great little publishing house.

I had a slew of his books at one point and regrettably donating them away to thin things out before a move. Not only for the content, but the out of print works are astronomically priced.
 
Does anyone ever fear threads like this (190 pages of photos/advice) are a detriment to the sustainability of general/unlimited hunting seasons like the UL sheep opportunity? I suspect very few will think so, but I'm genuinely curious.

A few thoughts: In the long run, I fear technology (including information platforms like this, podcasts, etc) will lead to greater hunter success and to counter balance that, opportunity will have to be restricted to maintain quotas/harvest objectives (Even when it comes to low success units like the Beartooth Sheep units).

Between all the media out there, one can learn years of knowledge in hours, without ever stepping foot in the Beartooth (That's the best part). There is an argument that the pressure was once greater and the season was sustainable; however, there was not technical gear, long range (500+ yard) rifles, quality optics, etc. When all of these items are combined with easy access to information, my selfish fear is that the success will increase over the long run and the season will be shorter and shorter, or the opportunity lesser than it once was. I hope people will be thoughtful in what information they expose on the internet, podcasts, magazines, etc.

This isn't meant to be a shit post but is something I think about often and am curious what other's thoughts are. I think the UL sheep hunting community is incredible and there is a need for a community such as this to sustain/support the current units and potentially support new units. I think the access to specific information (gained through descriptive photos, podcasts, etc) is (in the long run) a threat to not only UL sheep hunting opportunity but quality, general elk/deer opportunities across the West. I don't think this will be realized overnight but there's no doubt hunters are far more effective today than they were 20 years ago. Something has to give and I think we'd all rather have an opportunity to hunt and enjoy the process than for it to be easier and infrequent.
So primitive weapons only on this hunt? You got my vote!
 

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